Natural Born Killers / Oliver Stone

[thatpfunk]

This is, by far, the most convoluted, over-directed, pompous piece of garbage that I have ever watched. Oliver Stone simply sucks at his job. The "scoial commentary" element is pathetic as well.

Maybe he's gotten better in the past 12 years?

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This is, by far, the most convoluted, over-directed, pompous piece of garbage that I have ever watched. Oliver Stone simply sucks at his job. The "scoial commentary" element is pathetic as well.

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Tarantino wrote it. He said in an interview that he refused to see it because Stone was directing it.

craig

[Hamish McBagpipe]

Easily deserved awards at least for the innovative use of film, video, animation, etc. I am serious. You didn't get it, drag. Go rent Boogeyman.

[Seadood228]

Tarantino wrote a script, then it was sold and the Stone camp pretty much rewrote it. Very little of what Tarantino wrote actually made it to the screen.

[Hamish McBagpipe]

Correct. The original Tarantino idea was to keep the killers anonymous. When Stone changed this, Quentin got p'oed. When Downey gets shot in the hand there was supposed to originally be a camera shot fly in through the wound. Stone didn't use it, Tarantino used it in a later film.

[thatpfunk]

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Easily deserved awards at least for the innovative use of film, video, animation, etc. I am serious. You didn't get it, drag. Go rent Boogeyman.

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I really don't feel like whipping out my intellectual penis and comparing sizes but you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

All the "deep" and "important" themes that Stone wishes he could convey are sucked into his pathetic attempt at a movie that ends up being the definition of trying to hard.

Nothing in the movie is fluid, nothing meaningful. No important or shocking social commentary exists.

"Wow Oliver, we are a culture obsessed with violence, televsion, and the media? No [censored], Sherlock."

The "innovations" that you blindly laud do absolutely nothing to give the viewer a deeper understanding of the film or its characters. They are forced and a waste.

Alright, but this is the first time you've seen the movie?

[thatpfunk]

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Why the hell would you watch it three times then? Once was enough for me, although I saw a bit of it on cable the other night… changed the channel.

[thatpfunk]

There was nothing on any of the movie channels and I hadn't watched this in a while. There are aspects of it that I enjoy watching.

[imported_The Vibesman]

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Why the hell would you watch it three times then?

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I watched this POS twice myself, because of a buddy that just kept insisting I didn't "get" it. There's nothing to "get." I agree wholeheartedly with OP's assessment.

The next good movie Oliver Stone makes will be his first.

[Al P]

Movie was awesome when it was released and is still awesome today.

[swede123]

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Why the hell would you watch it three times then?

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I watched this POS twice myself, because of a buddy that just kept insisting I didn't "get" it. There's nothing to "get." I agree wholeheartedly with OP's assessment.

The next good movie Oliver Stone makes will be his first.

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Not sure if this is just generalizing/being funny or if you actually feel this way. If it's the latter, check out Platoon and Wallstreet, just to name two.

Swede

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Why the hell would you watch it three times then?

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I watched this POS twice myself, because of a buddy that just kept insisting I didn't "get" it. There's nothing to "get." I agree wholeheartedly with OP's assessment.

The next good movie Oliver Stone makes will be his first.

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Not sure if this is just generalizing/being funny or if you actually feel this way. If it's the latter, check out Platoon and Wallstreet, just to name two.

Swede

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Born On the 4th of July was great; definitely my favorite.

craig

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Why the hell would you watch it three times then?

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I watched this POS twice myself, because of a buddy that just kept insisting I didn't "get" it. There's nothing to "get." I agree wholeheartedly with OP's assessment.

The next good movie Oliver Stone makes will be his first.

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Not sure if this is just generalizing/being funny or if you actually feel this way. If it's the latter, check out Platoon and Wallstreet, just to name two.

Swede

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Born On the 4th of July was great; definitely my favorite.

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I've seen all of these movies, can't stand any of 'em. They're filled with repugnant characters that I cannot muster any emotion for, and IMO the downfall of any movie is when the audience cannot care about the characters. People in Stone's movies seem to be either total scumbags or completely ineffective and indecisive.

Hated Tom Cruise in BOTFOJ, too. Thought he was absolutely terrible. The part where he gets screaming drunk and then rips his catheter out is just ridiculous. On another note, is there a law that Tom Cruise has to do a scene where he gets drunk and goes on a whining binge in like 75% of his movies?

(Stupid Trivia Time: The screenplay for BOTFOJ was originally titled "Born in the USA", but the author had sent the screenplay to a popular musician to ask him to write a song for it; the musician never did write a song for the project but he did rip off the title for a song and album that became somewhat popular in the eighties. Later, said musician wrote a song for another of the screenwriter's projects in return, a movie that ended up being called, "Light Of Day.")

I did think the performances in Platoon were pretty good, but the visuals were overdone.

Stone's butchering of Jim Morrison's life and image in the movie "The Doors" is one of the great biopic crimes of all time.

Haven't seen the Nixon or Kennedy pictures because by that point I had decided Stone's films were worthless. I still might have watched the Kennedy thing if Kevin Costner weren't in it; Costner may very well be the worst actor of our generation. I have read enough about the movie to know that Stone took large liberties with the facts through and through.


I have thought for a long time that Stone is just a hack with high production values.

Things like this are totally subjective. I'm sure some of you don't enjoy the films of Sergio Leone or Walter Hill.

[swede123]

Hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I'm happy you weren't just throwing out a blanket statement, "Oliver Stone is poo!!!!!111," just for the sake of being clever. As I said, I do enjoy several of his movies, but I wouldn't rank Stone as one of my top ten favorite directors.

Swede

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Yeah, I'm also not a big fan of blanket statements like that. I also like expressing my opinion, but wouldn't want anyone who disagrees with me thinking I'm saying; "You're Wrong!!" because I don't feel movies or music or even something like "funny" can be judged that way, and doing so destroys any debate. One man's pain is another's pleasure.

Back to Natural Born Killers and Tarentino, I had heard that he told a couple of actors, Steve Buscemi being one of them, that if they took a part in NBK for Stone, they would never work in one of his movies again. Just a rumor, but I always got a kick out of it, probably because I'm a big Tarentino fan but not of Stone's.

[TheIrishThug]

i felt natural born killers ended up trying too hard to be disturbing. so much so that it began to take away from the story it was trying to tell.

[renodoc]

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Movie was awesome when it was released and is still awesome today.

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Agree. The 5% nation sees its brilliance.

I read a review when the film came out, saying that Stone had created the monster that he condemns with NBK, and that's pretty much how I feel. I do admit that I was and am a sucker for his use of color, animation, flashes of characters' subconsciousness, but I enjoy that stuff as I would enjoy a candy bar, tasty, but without any nutritional value.

[Dominic]

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I had heard that he told a couple of actors, Steve Buscemi being one of them, that if they took a part in NBK for Stone, they would never work in one of his movies again.

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This is a ridiculous statement. When NBK came out, Tarantino was a nobody and would have had no pull with any actor.

[IndieMatty]

I remember thinking this was awesome when I saw it in the theatres and I was like 14.


It's almost unwatchable now.

[imported_The Vibesman]

I don't know if it's true, never did.

Reservoir Dogs was released two years before NBK, and Pulp Fiction was released the same year. True Romance was released the year before, so he wasn't exactly a nobody.

[TheWorstPlayer]

It's awesome when that douche from 3rd Rock from the Sun goes "I know that killing is wrong and all, but if I were a serial killer I'd want to be like Mickey and Mallory."

[Boris]

Agree. Horrible movie on so many levels. Stone was trying to go deep and make a satire about violence in our popular culture. But the problem is the movie is exactly what Stone was trying to satirize. The only Stone movie I liked was Platoon. But I was young when I saw it the first time. I saw it again recently and it kind of bothered me.

[B Dids]

This is bad movie that's uncomfortable to watch, not because of the violence, but because of the camera work and the fact that it's really really stupid.

[pc in NM]

The medium is the message - The movie's psychedelic style is what it's about...

If you don't "get" psychedelia, you don't get it....

[Jules22]

this movie is garbage, definitely true. but stone directed platoon, and that movie was EXCELLENT

[thatpfunk]

I dislike this move MORE after having done mushrooms.

It portrays nothing realistically.

[Voltron87]

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no, no man, im telling you, like, you just dont.... get it. hes making a statement, like, about society man! hes way above all that hollywood posturing and commercialism, you just not understand the message he's sending us.

[thatpfunk]

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I dislike this move MORE after having done mushrooms.

It portrays nothing realistically.

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no, no man, im telling you, like, you just dont.... get it. hes making a statement, like, about society man! hes way above all that hollywood posturing and commercialism, you just not understand the message he's sending us.

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I know /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If only I was a hipster,maybe a could understand /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[craig r]

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I dislike this move MORE after having done mushrooms.

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no, no man, im telling you, like, you just dont.... get it. hes making a statement, like, about society man! hes way above all that hollywood posturing and commercialism, you just not understand the message he's sending us.

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I know /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If only I was a hipster,maybe a could understand /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I thought you were a hipster. I am not joking either. I don't know why I thought that. Maybe just basing on musical taste.

craig

I liked the movie.

[IQ89]

Rodney is irreplaceable in this flick. http://smoothcp.sunwave.com/vin/congoleum/four_stars.gif

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