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brick

08-29-2005, 03:57 AM

I think this is standard, but want to confirm.

UTG is brandosgs who I have as a 72/10, but I think he plays ok post flop. SB is a 56/14.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Button is the same guy.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG folds.

River: (11.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

wheelz

08-29-2005, 06:15 AM

Hand 1: What's his postflop aggression like? He'd cap AA or KK preflop for sure, probably QQ I would think, but a PFR of 10 means he probably wouldn't cap JJ there right? That's the only hand you can be worried about. The SB is calling along though with an obvious worse hand, and I think a turn raise is a possibility.

Hand 2: Again, how aggressive is he postflop? You only have to be good on the river a little over 8% of the time, but I don't see how you can be if he plays well postflop.

brick

08-29-2005, 02:23 PM

If I remember right he's not too agressive postflop. Something like 1.05 or so.

1) I put sb on a worse hand too, maybe nothing, and figured he might fold even if I just called the turn.
2) Yeah, i thought about folding the river. I find it hard to trust someone who plays so many hands preflop and the pot was very big.

Redd

08-29-2005, 02:30 PM

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I don't see how you can be if he plays well postflop.

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1) If he plays well postflop, wouldn't he be raising an ace or two hearts on the flop?

2) Is a KQ with 1/images/graemlins/heart.gif semibluff out of the question because of the guy in the middle?

wheelz

08-29-2005, 03:02 PM

1)Well, since the guy is 72/10 we can assume he doesn't play THAT well... I can see him slowplaying an ace for sure. He might not raise the flop with hearts either; it doesn't really accomplish much in this situation. If he's up against trip aces all he'll do is cost himself more to draw/possibly knock out the other caller. A free card isn't very likely, and the bluff value of the raise is pretty much non existant.

2)I'd say a semibluff raise is definitely out of the question. A multiway turn semibluff is a possibility from some players, but I don't think it is from this one on this board after hero 3-bet preflop and lead into both players on the flop and turn. He can't expect to get folds out of a turn raise.

wheelz

08-29-2005, 03:08 PM

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1) I put sb on a worse hand too, maybe nothing, and figured he might fold even if I just called the turn.

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But if you raise the turn do you think he might call 2 bets with a worse hand?

brick

08-29-2005, 03:09 PM

Hand 1: UTG had QQ and SB had A4.

Hand 2: Button had AT.

I think this guy does well post-flop because he is tricky and will slow play to disguse his hand.

I wonder if I should slowdown a little preflop and add some decpetion to my game.

wheelz

08-29-2005, 03:27 PM

Nah, there's nothing you can do better with these hands preflop. If you want to add deception preflop do it in spots like this: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=headsup&Number=3212017&For um=f8&Words="waiting%20preflop"&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=3174776&Search=true&wh ere=bodysub&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=&newertype= w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post3212017)]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=headsup&Number=3212017&For um=f8&Words="waiting%20preflop"&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=3174776&Search=true&wh ere=bodysub&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=&newertype= w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post3212017 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=headsup&Number=3212017&For um=f8&Words=) playing pocket tens slow preflop is generally a bad idea.

I guess 72/10's don't cap QQ preflop either...

edit: wtf why can't I make the URL work...