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directscooter

08-28-2005, 11:39 PM

I almost don't want to post this here because there was a fellow 2+2er at the table, but I need to be berated... any reason to make any of these plays? Took a really good day and gave it all back....

MP1 is 31/7 so his raise could be a range of hands
SB is 63/37 so who knows
UTG+1 is 74/19 so again....

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 ($64.65)
CO ($146)
Button ($242.40)
SB ($33.10)
BB ($100)
UTG ($192.15)
UTG+1 ($97.80)
UTG+2 ($83.05)
MP1 ($144.80)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $5, Hero raises to $15, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $32.60 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $32.10, MP1 calls $28.10, Hero calls $18.10.

Flop: ($133.40) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero calls $66.90 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $64.70 (All-In), MP1 folds.

Turn: ($265) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($265) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $265

I think I needed to either push preflop, but was afraid to fold QQ, etc and just get called by KK, AA. Had decided that if it got to me I would push any flop, is this a terrible decision against these opponents?

HANDS 2:

Should have folded preflop, Villain was 30/3 and a calling station, so I need to fold to his reraise, right? Figured it was either a fold or push situation.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($100)
UTG ($142)
UTG+1 ($231.40)
UTG+2 ($136.90)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($194.50)
MP3 ($134.60)
CO ($80.55)
Button ($109.70)
Hero ($99)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, UTG+2 raises to $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, MP3 raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 calls $1, MP2 calls $1.

Flop: ($18) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
Hero bets $15, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $15, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($48) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG+1 raises to $45, Hero calls $66 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $36.

River: ($210) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $210

Hand 3:

Villain is same from Hand 1 63/37, can I play this to the end? Against a maniac I usually would play TPTK like this since I would not be suprised to see Ax here, but on this board?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($96)
UTG ($156.55)
UTG+1 ($334.90)
UTG+2 ($129.20)
MP1 ($104.50)
MP2 ($189)
MP3 ($132.80)
CO ($73.90)
Button ($107.20)
Hero ($97)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $1, 5 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $4.5, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $4.

Flop: ($11) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9, UTG+2 raises to $18, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($47) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $20, Hero calls $20.

River: ($87) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Final Pot: $167

yvesaint

08-28-2005, 11:43 PM

Hand 1 makes me want to cry. You are last to act, there is over $100 in the pot already, and you have $85 left. One action.

directscooter

08-28-2005, 11:48 PM

The thing that gets me is, I ALWAYS push in that situation, but have been thinking lately about some of the comments on here about forcing out hands I beat like QQ, etc, and only getting called by AA, KK... I am assuming this was not one of those situations?

yvesaint

08-28-2005, 11:52 PM

No, there's a short stack all-in, there's 2 other people already in for $30, if by chance both fold after investing 30 BBs pre-flop, I'm very happy just picking up the $100 (already a full buy-in of itself).

imported_anacardo

08-28-2005, 11:55 PM

[ QUOTE ]
The thing that gets me is, I ALWAYS push in that situation, but have been thinking lately about some of the comments on here about forcing out hands I beat like QQ, etc, and only getting called by AA, KK... I am assuming this was not one of those situations?

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[censored], no. It's not even a pot-sized raise!

directscooter

08-29-2005, 12:00 AM

I wish I at least gave it to you... that was you at the table I am assuming?
Any thoughts on the other 2 hands if you were there and saw the Villains I am speaking of?

directscooter

08-29-2005, 12:01 AM

Agreed, funny because I thought I was being smart at the time keeping in some questionable hands... but NO!!! I was just flat out bad.
All in 63/37 had AA (oh well) but should have cut my losses there as the guy who called my all in had A7, and I am assuming he would have folded.
Any thoughts on the other hands?
I feel like I took like 5 steps back tonight in my poker development, losing stacks to the "bad" players at the table.

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imported_anacardo

08-29-2005, 12:05 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I wish I at least gave it to you... that was you at the table I am assuming?
Any thoughts on the other 2 hands if you were there and saw the Villains I am speaking of?

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Ah, yes! I remember this one.

That one guy who absolutely WOULD NOT lay down a hand if he thought he had any kind of a chance.

I'm sure you saw the hand where he called a bet and raise with a five-high gutshot draw on a two-flush board.

Yeah, I mean, you ran into every ace in the deck. I'm not sure if the guy who saw the flop would have laid down anyway, had you pushed preflop, but then, you don't really want him to. No matter what actually happened, you really should have gotten it in preflop. You're way, way ahead of the range of two jokers like this.

Hand Two - clear, clear turn bet/fold. That guy wasn't aggressive at all. There's nothing here that you beat.

Hand three is pretty tough, given who you were up against, but you have to understand that there are levels of donktacularity. That guy was a pretty ridiculous preflop player, but didn't play all that badly postflop. He made several loose calls and a few stupid min-raise moves here and there, but when this guy's raising you, then betting you for value all the way down, I think you have to give it up. Had you been in with that other guy, I would've been quite comfortable going to the felt.

kongo_totte

08-29-2005, 12:06 AM

Hand 1

Push pre-flop

Hand 2

Fold pre-flop

Hand 3

Check-fold turn.

kongo_totte

08-29-2005, 12:07 AM

[ QUOTE ]
but have been thinking lately about some of the comments on here about forcing out hands I beat like QQ, etc, and only getting called by AA, KK... I am assuming this was not one of those situations?

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You are right, that does not apply when the pot is as big as it is here.

Go_Blue88

08-29-2005, 12:10 AM

Hand 1- you seem to realize that you completely misplayed this.

Hand2- this hand confuses me b/c wtf did the guy limp with? In addition to the flush he could have a set or AJ, which he incorrectly slow played. For this reason, I think you can get away from this one pretty easily.

Hand3- i like your line.

directscooter

08-29-2005, 12:15 AM

Hand 1 agreed, like I said I thought I was getting cute, but I was actually getting ugly... (a lesson learned)

Hands 2 probably should have folded preflop, but with 6 players in, at a table where I knew there would be a lot of calls behind me, is this a definite fold? I will play this from time to time and shut it down if I don't hit 2 pair, here I did, so I played it, I am assuming if you were in this situation you fold to the raise from a calling station?

Hand 3: I have no idea... check fold probably is the best line, I can probably find a better spot against this guy, although I really thought he could have any ace there. Unfortunately he had JT.

Go_Blue88

08-29-2005, 12:19 AM

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Hands 2 probably should have folded preflop, but with 6 players in, at a table where I knew there would be a lot of calls behind me, is this a definite fold? I will play this from time to time and shut it down if I don't hit 2 pair, here I did, so I played it, I am assuming if you were in this situation you fold to the raise from a calling station?

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you're playing this hand to hit 2 pair? hoping to flop a flushdraw kinda makes sense but 2 pair doesn't.

directscooter

08-29-2005, 12:20 AM

Hand 2 was AJ, turn was a pretty clear fold the more I think about it.

What is your action on the turn (if you think my flop line is ok..) Check fold? Bet about 1/2 pot fold to reraise, or is the $15 ok as long as I fold to the reraise?

directscooter

08-29-2005, 12:24 AM

I'm sorry, yes I am looking for the flush, what I meant was whenever I play a hand like this I am looking for at least 4 to a flush, two pair an OESD (not applicable in this hand).
That is what I usually do with SC's etc, is that wrong?

Go_Blue88

08-29-2005, 12:34 AM

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Hand 2 was AJ, turn was a pretty clear fold the more I think about it.

What is your action on the turn (if you think my flop line is ok..) Check fold? Bet about 1/2 pot fold to reraise, or is the $15 ok as long as I fold to the reraise?

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I'm not a fan of the $15 dollar bet b/c it seems like such an obvious bet for information. a) Someone could easily make a play on you and raise you out of the pot and b) If someone does raise you then you might talk yourself into calling thinking that he just read you for weakness/fear based on your bet size. I used to have a big problem with part b, I don't know if that applies to the way you think though.

If you're going to bet, I'd bet half the pot and fold to a raise. However, I prefer checking here. If he's a calling station, I doubt he'll make a play on you.

directscooter

08-29-2005, 12:44 AM

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b) If someone does raise you then you might talk yourself into calling thinking that he just read you for weakness/fear based on your bet size. I used to have a big problem with part b, I don't know if that applies to the way you think though.

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This is exactly what happened. I thought my 2 pair could be beat, but then convinced myself that he was only reacting to my weak bet... gross!!!

directscooter

08-29-2005, 12:50 AM

Just wanted to thank you guys for your input. Going to bed so if anyone else has any input please let me know, but I will not see it until the AM.
Anacardo, I hope you picked that table apart after I left, I wanted to stay but just knew I was not playing very well and at the same time either entering Tiltsville or already there.
Can't wait to log on in the morning, read this post again, and puke in my mouth... /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

imported_anacardo

08-29-2005, 12:59 AM

If by "pick that table apart," you mean "find aces and get it in the middle," then, yeah, mission accomplished. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

amoeba

08-29-2005, 01:23 AM

hand 3 is the most marginal one.

push hand 1 preflop,

check the turn on hand 2. if villain underbets the turn, call and hope to fill up. if he leads pot, just fold.

your 3 bet all in is really bad. nobody is folding a flush.