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JimmyV

08-28-2005, 08:11 PM

Villain is 32/12/1.1. (Original PFR is 32/14.4/1.1.)

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets.

Flame away.

JimmyV

Diplomat

08-28-2005, 08:18 PM

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Villain is 32/12/1.1. (Original PFR is 32/14.4/1.1.)

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets.

Flame away.

JimmyV

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Misplayed on every street.

-Diplomat

philnewall

08-28-2005, 08:44 PM

you could atleast bother to explain why you played this way, without this information it just looks like a completely retarded hand.

JimmyV

08-28-2005, 08:47 PM

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you could atleast bother to explain why you played this way, without this information it just looks like a completely retarded hand.

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Okay:

I was bluffing.

Cheers,

JimmyV

Roland19

08-28-2005, 08:48 PM

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you could atleast bother to explain why you played this way, without this information it just looks like a completely retarded hand.

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He posted it because it ended up working.

JimmyV

08-28-2005, 08:54 PM

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He posted it because it ended up working.

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Wrong.

3rdCheckRaise

08-28-2005, 08:54 PM

...you are my second favorite 30-60 player...

JimmyV

08-28-2005, 08:55 PM

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...you are my second favorite 20-60 player...

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...to root for or to play against?

3rdCheckRaise

08-28-2005, 08:56 PM

...as a 29/15/2.2 player myself i enjoy you at my table EVERY time...

JimmyV

08-28-2005, 09:05 PM

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...as a 29/15/2.2 player myself i enjoy you at my table EVERY time...

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... cause it's fun to root for me?

James282

08-28-2005, 09:05 PM

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...as a 29/15/2.2 player myself i enjoy you at my table EVERY time...

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Enjoying Jimmy at your table probably means you lack understanding of some fundamental aspect of hold 'em.
-James

3rdCheckRaise

08-28-2005, 09:15 PM

yeah...what you said...ohhh and also i enjoy every player who puts his blind faith into xx/xx/x.x numbers in their playerview window.

James282

08-28-2005, 09:21 PM

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yeah...what you said...ohhh and also i enjoy every player who puts his blind faith into xx/xx/x.x numbers in their playerview window.

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Does anybody do this? How can you know if they do?
-James

3rdCheckRaise

08-28-2005, 09:41 PM

well...this whole post is abot Jimmy playing around two players who are loose in his opinion based on 32/12 numbers.
Would he start the same tap dance with 17/7 player? Jimmy , would you?

Steve Giufre

08-28-2005, 09:41 PM

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you could atleast bother to explain why you played this way, without this information it just looks like a completely retarded hand.

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Okay:

I was bluffing.

Cheers,

JimmyV

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Classic. Anyway I usualy fold preflop, I usually check that turn, and I almost always give up on that river. If he has a draw your hand is good anyway, and if he called you with some kind of small pair or whatever he is not folding for one bet in this spot unless he misclicks. I guess the river could be right agaist certain players with the right image, but I dont think here agaist this guy.

Also I agree with James that if you hate money you should search for Jimmy and gambool with him.

JimmyV

08-28-2005, 09:50 PM

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Would he start the same tap dance with 17/7 player? Jimmy , would you?

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No chance. I fold preflop.

J

James282

08-28-2005, 09:53 PM

I'd turn 3 bet bluff players with 17 vpip, yes.
-James

JimmyV

08-28-2005, 09:57 PM

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If he has a draw your hand is good anyway

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Unless his 'draw' is AQ. (The main reason I posted this is that it's a pretty tough hand-reading exercise. Do people call 3 bets cold with KQ?)

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and if he called you with some kind of small pair or whatever he is not folding for one bet in this spot

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I'm not so sure. Sometimes people auto-call in a raising war on the turn, or peel one hoping to spike a two-outer.
(One of my first posts ever was about a B&M guy like this, who called a turn bet three-handed with JJ on an AK98 board (I kept firing with TT, and knew for certain the cold-caller in between us had QJ) and swore up and down he was going to fold the river if I'd bet. Then again, that was the 3/6.)

Any guesses as to what opponent might have held?

JimmyV

Steve Giufre

08-28-2005, 10:00 PM

Yeah I completely forgot about AQ, I was thinking there was a Q on board. That does change things. I do think that kind of player does pay you off out of spite with a pair on the end though.

3rdCheckRaise

08-28-2005, 10:01 PM

Thank you sir...

JimmyV

08-28-2005, 10:05 PM

Yes, I do have blind faith in these numbers, but only because I can calculate confidence intervals in my head to three decimal places. My blindest faith is reserved for the 99% confidence interval; at 80% I just have a little glaucoma, no big whup.

Against these guys I was heavily astigmatic with a little neural damage.

JimmyV, EpiMagoo

JimmyV

08-29-2005, 09:43 AM

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Any guesses as to what opponent might have held?

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riKEET... riKEET.....

Let's have some predictions before I post the results.

JimmyV

08-29-2005, 09:48 AM

An interesting hand. I usually hate playing interesting hands. Just fold preflop.

08-29-2005, 11:43 AM

You are putting a ton of money into the pot with a mediocre hand. I understand that you're bluffing but I would need more than stats to make this play, even with high confidence in them.

As far as hand-reading, some people do cold-call 3 bets with KQs, KJs, KTs, QJs, QTs, AK, AQ, or TT. I wouldn't put any of them past this villian. Part of the reason I don't like this play is that you still don't know where he is after the turn 3 bet, which of course is why the read is difficult. He could have a K, QJ, or is just getting stubborn with a T. Most likely you are spewing hard.

BTW I don't want you at my table.

IronFly

PS Since you are soliciting hand reads I'm guessing villian made a pair of 7s on the river.

08-29-2005, 12:19 PM

The numbers on the villian show that he is aggressive but still not aggressive enough to get involved with a hand like AJo in my opinion, ill admit its close, I would 3 bet AQo here and AJs here. With AJo, I would not want to dance with an opponent with those stats, especially if he plays decent post flop. As far as the flop, Its not bad to fire one time and see what happens. On the turn its time to give up once both opponents showed interest on this board. As far as the CO, Im pretty sure he has a King in his hand, But its always possible he cold called with ATs as many players do in this situation, either way I'm still convinced CO has a monster, which makes your 3 bet bluff play untimely. The time to 3 bet bluff is when you think your opponent is bluff raising himself or you think you can make him fold some of the hands he would raise with in that spot. But people dont fold monsters and thats what I think the CO has. I still admire you Jimmy for making this post. Most people who screwed up a hand like this would be too embarrassed to post it, and we all mess up from time to time.

JimmyV

08-29-2005, 01:52 PM

Opponent called the river and turned over AK, and my second-nut no-pair hand was no good. In retrospect his play made perfect sense and mine made very little.

The little sense that it did make had to do with the small consolation that I think opponent will fold JJ, QQ, 99, and AQ to this play. He was intimidated enough to back down with top trips top kicker, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have given up on the river.

Or the flop for that matter.

JV
Rowing Junior-Varsity Spew

catlover

08-29-2005, 02:42 PM

Preflop, I think it is borderline whether or not you should play AQo in that spot. AJo is an easy fold.

As for the rest of the hand, you have to bluff like that sometimes, just don't do it too often.

I think you should have given up on your bluff on the river. If he called you that far, he's not folding now. It would be much better to check. If he bets, you now have to decide whether or not the odds that he is bluffing (with QJs for instance) warrant a call.