$11's Why I don't Slow Play (accept when I forget)

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: FrankWC ( $775 )
Seat 5: tmack31 ( $1020 )
Seat 2: GUnit2210 ( $640 )
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $785 )
Seat 9: Ariesco76 ( $805 )
Seat 6: Sarhilla_ ( $1010 )
Seat 10: soda456 ( $745 )
Seat 8: hcebeamom ( $800 )
Seat 7: IUbullets ( $770 )
Seat 4: Soma72 ( $650 )
Trny:15194895 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 5s Js ]
tmack31 calls [15].
Sarhilla_ folds.
IUbullets folds.
hcebeamom folds.
Ariesco76 folds.
soda456 calls [15].
FrankWC folds.
GUnit2210 calls [15].
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [5].
Soma72 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, Kh, 5c ]
THIS SUNDAY: OUR 350K GUARANTEED HAS BEEN INCREASED TO 500K GUARANTEED. ALL THE QUALIFIERS AND BUY-INS STAY THE SAME. PLAY ON SUNDAY AT 4:30 PM EST!!
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
Soma72 checks.
tmack31 bets [40].
soda456 folds.
GUnit2210 calls [40].
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [40].
Soma72 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
tmack31 bets [300].
GUnit2210 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [300].
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 bets [100].
tmack31 calls [100].
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ 5s, Js ] two pairs, jacks and fives.
tmack31 shows [ 8c, Kd ] two pairs, kings and eights.
tmack31 wins 995 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and eights.

Any thoughts?

[Chaostracize]

Not betting out or check-raising here is silly.

Although I vote highly in favor of betting out.

[lastchance]

You need to raise the flop or raise the turn. Could also lead turn or something.

But you know your line sucked.

I think checking is fine on the flop, maybe even standard. A bet should happen with 4 other opponents out there quite a bit of the time.

[bluefeet]

I might raise the flop some, just to slow him down on the turn (it's not like we're holding the stone cold nuts here)...other than that I think this line is fine.

Actually, with the VERY likely chance we're way ahead here, this line is both more profitable and a litte safer perhaps.

If you raise on the flop (baring a huge raise), a "K" is probably just calling you anyway. This leaves you leading "in the dark" on a turn that could have 2-paired him.

EDIT:

"..This leaves you leading "in the dark" on a turn that could have 2-paired him."

lol...i didn't even notice that he DID hit! i thought you won the hand /images/graemlins/wink.gif

even with this knowledge, i think my point about NOT reraising the flop is valid when your holding bottom/middle two pair. a bit weak, sure. but, if you let him keep firing into the pot with "just a K-pair", he is in unknowingly giving himself incorrect odds to catch his second pair. i just don't see how raising the flop is going to get the K to fold.

hmmmm, yeah, that's pretty weak. having him NOT fold is the point eh? lol...man, i need to man-up some...

reraise pot on flop - push turn with your last 400whatever chips

[45suited]

I would have made a pot sized bet the flop.

That said, the idiot who limped UTG with K8o probably would have won the hand anyway. Most likely, he wouldn't have laid down TPWK on the flop, thinking it was the holy nuts.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

nice cap!

[WillMagic]

Yeah...that's pretty ugly. You should be betting that flop every time. After you check, and it goes bet, call, call, you should check-raise EVERY TIME.

It's not that slowplaying is always bad. It's that slowplaying bottom two pair is always bad.

Will

[Uppercut]

[ QUOTE ]
It's not that slowplaying is always bad. It's that slowplaying bottom two pair is always bad.

[/ QUOTE ]

What he said.