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scrub, jason_t, and Thirddan are sweating me playing 20/40 at Bay 101. Three limpers to me and I limp with 7h 8h in the hijack, a tight CO folds, button raises, an aggressive SB 3-bets, BB calls, limpers call, I think for a moment, glance at the button's hands, which have cut out 8 chips, and I fold.

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you are getting ~9-1 on a $40 call assuming button doesnt cap. You also have the second best position. I'd gamble and call or cap it wtf..

would you have played this if these guys were not sweating you? my guess is yes. I'm not usually a fan of playing suited connectors for more than 1 raise but you are getting tons of action here and your position is another huge plus..gamble it up and call..

If your read on the button is correct it will still be 8-1 on call. Do you feel like gambling... 500-60 assuming everyone calls. I intially skimmed and missed the last sentence of your post. I'm still going for it and gambling ..just because he has 8 chips in his hand doesnt mena he has to cap it..this is could also be a scare tactic to hopefully keep the limpers from calling the sb's re-raise...

just fooling around with PokerStove if you guess at a specifc hand for each position ..I used laggish standards because these limpers sound like donkeys. I dont have time to do a range of hands for each position ..it would look something like this:

501,942 games 0.015 secs 33,462,800 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 26.5756 % 26.56% 00.02% { QcQd }
Hand 2: 14.2182 % 14.20% 00.02% { 4h4s }
Hand 3: 03.5281 % 02.88% 00.65% { AsJh }
Hand 4: 13.0359 % 12.49% 00.55% { Js9s }
Hand 5: 10.8506 % 10.73% 00.12% { Ad2d }
Hand 6: 16.5519 % 16.54% 00.02% { 7h6h }
Hand 7: 15.2397 % 15.12% 00.12% { AcKh }

tough to pin down but I'd guess you are more often than not making the correct play to call espeically with position..In this scenario you should win ~ 1 in 6 hands. Whether it is just $40 to you or $60 a call seems to be correct mathmetically.

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would you have played this if these guys were not sweating you? my guess is yes.

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[Justin A]

I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

[goodguy_1]

using PokerStove again .If you switched out player#4 to be Th9h-same as your suit. your hand really becomes marginal where you only win 12.34% or 1 in 8 roughly. More often than not though I would guess with a normal distribution of hands that your call is an overlay but there could be situations where you are in deep sshit..

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I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

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That's what I said.

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[Derek in NYC]

Holding a suited connector, you're about 3.6 to 1 against flopping two pair, an OESD, a flush draw, or better. Facing 6 opponents in a capped pot, your implied 3 bets to call are going to be getting 25:3 (assuming everyone comes for the ride), or around 8:1. So you have a good overlay on an odds basis.

On the other hand, while you have late position, the raiser is to your left and the 3-bettor is immediately to his left--thus putting you in the middle if the 3-bettor leads the flop. This hand could be tricky to play after the flop, and a lot of your outs even if they hit on the flop, aren't necessarily good (like flopping a str8 draw on a monotone board, etc.

You can call, but the odds you appear to be getting are pretty deceiving. I probably fold.

[Justin A]

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I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

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That's what I said.

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Screw it, I meant cap it yourself! Way too much fun to be had.

[Catt]

4 or 5 bet cap? Just curious, because I think you should call it regardless. Equity is not bad even if we infer a tighter range for button because we believe he will cap (instead of just relying on his initial range). Won't be too tough to play post, I think. Pretty good relative position whether SB or Button becomes post-flop leader. Ginormous pot when you flop well. Mostly because it is fun to play in ginormous pots, and you need to find some fun getting 35 hands an hour.

[sthief09]

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using PokerStove again .If you switched out player#4 to be Th9h-same as your suit. your hand really becomes marginal where you only win 12.34% or 1 in 8 roughly. More often than not though I would guess with a normal distribution of hands that your call is an overlay but there could be situations where you are in deep sshit..

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damn you must be good if you can put people 7 people on specific hands preflop

[sthief09]

calling there in a seemingly aggressive game when a cap seems certain, even that many ways, would be really wrong to me. 3 more bets with 8 high? I think that's a pretty simple fold


I'm surprised you didn't raise preflop. that's a very "you" raise

[sthief09]

even 2 pair 7 ways with 87 is far from safe, and to a lesser extend a flush is the same. while this hand gains value with more people, it also increases in reverse implied odds from the times you hit and get stacked off

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I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

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That's what I said.

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Screw it, I meant cap it yourself! Way too much fun to be had.

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There we go, I was getting worried. It's not everyday you get to limp-cap with 78s, when the opportunity arises you're going to want to seize it by the balls.

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I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

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That's what I said.

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Screw it, I meant cap it yourself! Way too much fun to be had.

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There we go, I was getting worried. It's not everyday you get to limp-cap with 78s, when the opportunity arises you're going to want to seize it by the balls.

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I am fan of choosing plays that maxmize my EV and aren't motivated by bravado.

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I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

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That's what I said.

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Screw it, I meant cap it yourself! Way too much fun to be had.

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There we go, I was getting worried. It's not everyday you get to limp-cap with 78s, when the opportunity arises you're going to want to seize it by the balls.

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I am fan of choosing plays that maxmize my EV and aren't motivated by bravado.

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damn you must be good if you can put people 7 people on specific hands preflop


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just fooling around with PokerStove if you guess at a specifc hand for each position ..I used laggish standards because these limpers sound like donkeys. I dont have time to do a range of hands for each position ..it would look something like this:

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I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

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That's what I said.

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Screw it, I meant cap it yourself! Way too much fun to be had.

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There we go, I was getting worried. It's not everyday you get to limp-cap with 78s, when the opportunity arises you're going to want to seize it by the balls.

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I am fan of choosing plays that maxmize my EV and aren't motivated by bravado.

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Yeah, I would've folded too, but the idea of calling knowing full well we're gonna have to call one more bet from the button anyway is just revolting. At that point if you decide to play on with the hand you might as well just fire the 12 chips into the pot and be done with it.

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I am fan of choosing plays that maxmize my EV and aren't motivated by bravado.

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I (correctly) read him for not AA/88/44 and didn't believe he'd make it to the turn with 66. I thought I was ahead. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I am fan of choosing plays that maxmize my EV and aren't motivated by bravado.

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I (correctly) read him for not AA/88/44 and didn't believe he'd make it to the turn with 66. I thought I was ahead. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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So you 3-bet the turn because you thought he was raising with AK, but when he 4-bet, you were hoping he had...

A6s?

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I am fan of choosing plays that maxmize my EV and aren't motivated by bravado.

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Ahem. A/images/graemlins/club.gif8/images/graemlins/club.gif.

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I (correctly) read him for not AA/88/44 and didn't believe he'd make it to the turn with 66. I thought I was ahead. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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So you 3-bet the turn because you thought he was raising with AK, but when he 4-bet, you were hoping he had...

A6s?

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An attempt to abuse my nittiness? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[goodguy_1]

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get stacked off


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this is a limit hold'em hand last time I checked

[Student Caine]

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scrub, jason_t, and Thirddan are sweating me playing 20/40 at Bay 101. Three limpers to me and I limp with 7h 8h in the hijack, a tight CO folds, button raises, an aggressive SB 3-bets, BB calls, limpers call, I think for a moment, glance at the button's hands, which have cut out 8 chips, and I fold.

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FWIW from a 6/12'er I am as weak-tight as they come, but I see this as a clear call with ~8:1 odds. If these are all tough opponents and we are assuming they are all playing legitimate hands is there any merit to the fact that they may all be sharing a bunch of the higher cards, or is this just Sexton'ish crap that you here when watching the WPT on The Travel Channel?

I didn't realize that you guys played at Bay 101 sometimes, I will definitely keep my eyes open for you while I am sitting 50th waiting for my 6/12 or 3/6 seat to open up. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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this is a limit hold'em hand last time I checked

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good job, captain obvious!

[Justin A]

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I think you should call even if button is going to cap.

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That's what I said.

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Screw it, I meant cap it yourself! Way too much fun to be had.

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There we go, I was getting worried. It's not everyday you get to limp-cap with 78s, when the opportunity arises you're going to want to seize it by the balls.

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I am fan of choosing plays that maxmize my EV and aren't motivated by bravado.

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So you're saying you play poker to make money and that's the only reason? Poker can be for fun sometimes. And besides, in this hand if you know it's going to get capped but you think it's +EV to call anyway, then capping it yourself is entirely more fun.

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so the other night, i raised QQ on the button, jason_t folds his SB, and sfer 3-bets me from the BB. before i had a chance to 4-bet, jason_t announced that he wanted to see both hands at showdown so i angrily threw my cards into the muck

[Justin A]

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calling there in a seemingly aggressive game when a cap seems certain, even that many ways, would be really wrong to me. 3 more bets with 8 high? I think that's a pretty simple fold


I'm surprised you didn't raise preflop. that's a very "you" raise

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Why are you generalizing this hand as "8 high?" I thought you hated reasoning like that.

Your equity in a multiway pot like this is more than sufficient to call. Implied odds with this many players in the pot are very high, even counting the times you make a very expensive second best hand.

[Justin A]

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jason_t announced that he wanted to see both hands at showdown

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did he really say that?

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jason_t announced that he wanted to see both hands at showdown

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did he really say that?

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Yes. He's a nit. Or haven't you heard?

[sthief09]

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calling there in a seemingly aggressive game when a cap seems certain, even that many ways, would be really wrong to me. 3 more bets with 8 high? I think that's a pretty simple fold


I'm surprised you didn't raise preflop. that's a very "you" raise

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Why are you generalizing this hand as "8 high?" I thought you hated reasoning like that.

Your equity in a multiway pot like this is more than sufficient to call. Implied odds with this many players in the pot are very high, even counting the times you make a very expensive second best hand.

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did I say that? I kind of like thinking of 87s as 8 high. it's an easy hand to overrate and thinking of it as 8 high puts it in its place.

but anyway, hot and cold maybe it's got decent equity, but you fold the flop so much and don't get to draw to your backdoor draws which make up a nice chunk of the hand's wins.

implied odds are weakened by the fact that he's calling 3 more bets.

you generally shouldn't be putting in multiple bets with suited connectors unless you're putting in the second bet yourself.

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so the other night, i raised QQ on the button, jason_t folds his SB, and sfer 3-bets me from the BB. before i had a chance to 4-bet, jason_t announced that he wanted to see both hands at showdown so i angrily threw my cards into the muck

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I don't remember ever seriously saying this.

[jason_t]

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jason_t announced that he wanted to see both hands at showdown

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did he really say that?

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I don't remember this. His statement must have been a joke.

[jason_t]

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jason_t announced that he wanted to see both hands at showdown

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did he really say that?

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Yes. He's a nit. Or haven't you heard?

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