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aflaba
08-26-2005, 03:01 PM
Do you semi-bluff this flop or not?

Villan here is a typical 40/20. (BTW, why are there so many players with 40/20? stats)

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>
einbert
08-26-2005, 03:02 PM
He's never folding a better hand than yours as long as your hand is UI. I would tend to just check/call this flop in order to checkraise the turn if I improve.
MyssGuy
08-26-2005, 03:50 PM
I would raise, looking to get a free card on the turn if I don't improve. If I'm 3-bet, I can fold the turn UI.
einbert
08-26-2005, 04:34 PM
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I would raise, looking to get a free card on the turn if I don't improve. If I'm 3-bet, I can fold the turn UI.

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wtf?
MyssGuy
08-26-2005, 04:36 PM
I like the raise on the flop is what I was saying. Gives you more options and lets you know where you are at...
einbert
08-26-2005, 04:44 PM
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I like the raise on the flop is what I was saying. Gives you more options and lets you know where you are at...

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Against this guy, a three-bet doesn't really let you know that you're behind and you also have too many outs and there is too much in the pot to fold the turn UI. And OOP getting a free card is kind of hard.
MyssGuy
08-26-2005, 04:46 PM
That's what I get for skimming through this and not re-reading. You are correct all around. My bad.
08-26-2005, 04:55 PM
Maybe if you have position. Not here.
aflaba
08-26-2005, 05:14 PM
OK. Very good input guys. Like einbert said the semi-bluff has no value since I'm not going to fold a better hand. That's really all there is to it, right? (This is not a rhetorical question)


OK. The turn card was
A /images/graemlins/club.gif

What is Hero's move?
einbert
08-26-2005, 05:18 PM
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That's really all there is to it, right?

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Well I don't really see any other reason to semibluff, since you're out of position here. Just overall the circumstances seemed poor for it.

The turn is much more interesting. I've got to think about this decision.
aflaba
08-26-2005, 06:22 PM
Just wait until the river then /images/graemlins/wink.gif This hand just escalates!
ThePenguin
08-26-2005, 07:45 PM
I'd bet out on the turn.
grinin
08-27-2005, 11:40 AM
given the action thus far, I would bet out on the turn and call down if raised

Originally I would check call flop
and when the A falls on turn I would bet out rather than go for the check raise (primarily because I could stand the raise but would hate a 3 bet on the turn)