advice against 90% vpip

table is mostly all loose and weak. villain is a 90vpip calling station. should i be raising this turn to protect / value? or should i be folding this PF and not even asking about how to actually play it?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

[jrz1972]

The preflop call is terrible. The rest of the hand illustrates why.

[Taxmanrick]

fold pre-flop

[davelin]

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should i be folding this PF and not even asking about how to actually play it?

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Yup

[Deamon2]

yes, fold this pf (the first time... call when it's one back to you)

after that, I think I fold the turn.

[imported_The Vibesman]

"should i be folding this PF and not even asking about how to actually play it?"

Yep.

Fold preflop, twice-the first time and again when it comes back raised.

A check-call/check-raise play usually doesn't mean good things for a weak top pair hand. You probably still have to call tho.

There's a reason they call these trouble hands; it has to do with reverse implied odds, the possibility that you will make your hand and still lose, and end up putting money in the pot with a weak made hand.

[hemstock]

Even if it was suited, you would wan't a quite loose table in otder to limp.

[benkath1]

folding this PF and not even asking about how to actually play it

[deception5]

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A check-call/check-raise play usually doesn't mean good things for a weak top pair hand.

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Especially when it's done by a calling station...

[bozlax]

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...should i be folding this PF and not even asking about how to actually play it?

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Yes.

[Fryguy]

check-raised by a 90% calling station = you are way behind.

[krimson]

Fold PF...

Since you didn't. I think you need to fold this turn when c/r'd, he's not going to be making these kinds of plays with something you beat and you are drawing slim if not dead.

[Saint_D]

Dropping this kind of unsuited ace trash Pre flop will help you a lot. If you routinely limp this kind of hand you will have a VP$IP of 30+. This is way to high.

You probably want to aim at 17-19* until you get more comfortable post flop. Then you may like 17 a lot, or want to open up to 20 or more.

17% is 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+

30% is 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A5o+, K9o+ ,Q9o+ ,J9o+ ,T9o

The player who plays 17% PF will kill the 30% player unless the 30% player is a post flop god in comparison.

-D

*This is only valid in games with 7 or more players. If you don't know why, stick with full ring games.

[Buccaneer]

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17% is 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+

30% is 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A5o+, K9o+ ,Q9o+ ,J9o+ ,T9o

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I like this! It makes it easy to know what % you are playing even if you get very playable cards at the first of your session.

Do you have this broken down for about 21%?

[Saint_D]

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17% is 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+

30% is 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A5o+, K9o+ ,Q9o+ ,J9o+ ,T9o

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I like this! It makes it easy to know what % you are playing even if you get very playable cards at the first of your session.

Do you have this broken down for about 21%?

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Poker Stove gave me these. (http://www.pokerstove.com/)
click a player button and there is a % slider on the "pre flop" tab.

21% is 66+,A4s+,K7s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

Keep in a mind a 21% VPIP player will play these exact cards at about MP2. If they play correctly they will tighten up a lot in EP and later they will loosen up (a little).

That's why "position aware" is something you should try to determine when you are taking notes.

-D

[DavidC]

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The preflop call is terrible. The rest of the hand illustrates why.

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I'm going to disagree here.

The preflop call is terrible. The rest of the hand doesn't necessarily illustrate why, though. I could see an AK hand having the same trouble.

UTG w/ A6o? This hand illustrates why A6o is not a limping hand UTG, especially on a weak/loose table like this. A6o likes HU from late position, at BEST.

my vpip is only about 18%, i may be adding some weaker aces instead of some stronger suited connectors

[livinitup0]

Tilting a bit preflop? The rest I think you played a bit passive.

[Paxosmotic]

Fold this about 3 nanoseconds after the turn is raised, which is only 2 nanoseconds longer than it should have taken you to fold this preflop.