Balls of fire...60/120 Live Hand.

[Lawrence Ng]

This is a full kill hand. Button has the kill.

I'm in the BB with K /images/graemlins/heart.gif6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Some asian guy who is pretty standard and likes to chase playing limps in EP (this means he got anything that can be limped with but not raised), guy next to him who is on mega tilt and stuck like $3k the last 2 hours and has been playing everything and raising half his hands raises (this means he's got everything but garbage and includes limping/raising hands). He's also been pounding the flop hard whenever he's in the hand if he has anything on the flop (draw/made hand/gutshot..blah blah) All fold to me in the BB - I call.

Flop comes like 6-9-T rainbow.

I check, EP checks, tilt guy bets. I call, EP thinks for 3 seconds and calls.

I definitely smell weak blood here and I love weak blod.

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Turn comes a 4 completing the rainbow.

I check, EP checks, tilt guy puts in $120, I grab 9 greens and 3 reds and fire them into them the pot (I raised). EP acts all scared and stuff and folds. Mr. Tilt calls.

River is another 4. I check intending to call a bet.

Standard?

Lawrence

[vmacosta]

nice hand sir.

[drbk2]

nah... bet it. tilters like that will pay off a bet with ace high and check behind with ace high. Maybe even King high. If you check and he bets, he will only bet hands you can't beat, but he won't raise you on the river with these hands if you bet. I like betting the river.

[Leaky Eye]

I would also bet the river for value, and call a raise.

[bugstud]

ship it

[Paluka]

Why not checkraise the flop?

[slavic]

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Why not checkraise the flop?

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I was thinking the same thing.

[Eric P]

check-raising the flop seems much better than letting a Q or an A turn for the 3rd guy in the pot. Also why check with the intent of calling when you could just bet it and have him call wiht ace high. He will (probably) be more likely to call with a hand that you beat than he is to bet with a hand you can beat after you check-raised the turn.

[PokerCad]

I bet and pound the tilter "till he goes brokehttp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/images/icons/smile.gif
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[PokerCad]

goes broke I say,,lol

[casinogosain]

This seems like a reasonable spot to checkraise the flop rather than the turn. Given that you checkraised the turn, I would lead the river. From the player descriptions, I think you are likely to get called by a worse hand on the river. I'm not sure what I would do if I got raised on the river, but I lean towards calling this type of player.

-Ash

[Lawrence Ng]

Tilt guy bets the river, I call. He shows KK.

There are a couple of reasons why I didn't go in for a check-raise on the flop. The first being that I have another player in the flop who is a loose chaser. If he's got a piece of the board, he ain't going nowhere and he's even smart enough to go all the way to the river with say 2nd pair, a smaller pocket pair if the play throughout the hand is passive enough. And let's face it, that board is riddened with draws. Even if I am best on the flop at this point, my pot equity isn't high enough and being OOP sucks so I just flat called. Bad thinking?

The second reason is that I will have absolutely no idea where I stand if I check-raise that flop against the tiltman. He's gonna 3-bet me with both pocket pair and overcards. I'm forced into a defensive stance then and driving up that pot on the flop is gonna keep EP in the hand (if he decides to play) and he's gonna pay off if the pot gets big which I don't want provided there is some chance he has a piece of the flop.

So basically on the flop I really want to see where EP is at, but want to risk as little as possible at this point to gather the information. Again, is this flawed thinking?

The turn is nice card and now I'm playing percentages here. Tiltman isn't dumb enough to 3-bet me without a strong here and I figure my best chance of winning the pot and/or getting HU with Tiltman is best if I c/r. I think there's also something to be said about betting the turn for fear of a check-through, but as I mentioned I smelled weak blood from EP and I really wanted to knock him out if he did have second pair/pocket pair. I think this is one of the situations where if I want to substantially increase my chances of winning, it's a must. Flawed thinking?

River is standard imho.

Thanks for the input everyone.

[TStoneMBD]

originally i liked a checkraise because it gives UTG a chance to fold 77, but since you said he will not do that calling seems more logical. even more logical than that is to lead into the preflop raiser on the flop because if UTG calls, the preflop raiser will jam with whatever and you can 3bet to eliminate UTG.

i think your reasoning is flawed that you dont like checkraising the flop because tiltman will 3bet you with anything and it puts you in defensive mode. who cares? youre not going to get any information that allows you to fold this hand by playing any other way unless utg wakes up. if you know he will 3bet you with anything you gain the same amount of bets against tiltman when ahead as behind unless of course he checks the river when he cant win. out of position you cant expect any better than this. i wouldnt feel comfortable folding to a turn 3bet after youve checkraised as you said the guy is on tilt and may be planning to 3bet check river with Ahigh.