Blind steals gone wrong

[Roy6]

Notes on this player are that he likes to donk and bluffraise/bluff 3-bet river. He is not a complete moron (he can fold), but he's way too aggressive.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.66 BB


3/ This is another guy. He bets if you check to him, but he can also fold.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.33 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.16 BB

[tongni]

Hand 1) Don't raise A3o from the CO.
Hand 2) Depending on the player, you might have 10 outs on the turn. I'm guessing maybe not here. I can fold
Hand 3) This is not a good flop to steal from. If you decide to try to take it, lead out and save yourself a SB.

[Roy6]

thanks for the reply.

1) Button had a VPIP of 14, thatswhy the raise

2) Calling is bad here I think. I thought that he might fold to a raise, but he's not folding a draw and I'd need to fire again. He's not going anywhere with a pair I guess?
Anyways, I'll save my bluffraise for a hand where I have more outs.

3) Why not good flop to steal? (OK I guess I know it, board pairing less chance for me having a pair). But I guess he raises a pocketpair preflop. Does he take KT, J9s hands to showdown here?

[Jeff W]

You had too many outs to fold the turn in all 3 of these hands.

[Digs]

1. Standard for me. Preflop I'm raising this if the blinds/button are relatively tight pre.

2. Pretty standard, if I feel the guy's running over me I might toss a raise here on the turn, it'll prolly work around a third of the time and get this guy off my back either way.

3. I like a lead more than a c/r here really. Given your read I think the line's ok though.

[Roy6]

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You had too many outs to fold the turn in all 3 of these hands.

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why?

Hand1
A flush draw is possible: a 4 might be tainted (also he can have a 8) + if river is no club can I call? (he will fire for sure if misses)

Hand2
I have a gutshot + a J, Q is probably good but I can't raise (wouldn't like to call a bluff 3-bet, he's capable)

Hand3
Do you think gutshot+2 overs are all clean?

[Jeff W]

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You had too many outs to fold the turn in all 3 of these hands.

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why?

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You have an average of ~7 outs in each hand and 4 of your outs in each hand have solid implied odds. The fact that he is capable of a bluff-3bet is great because you'll get paid off even more. Don't let LAGs exploit scare cards to blow you off respectable draws.

In hand 1 I strongly lean towards calling the river. with ace high. Villain is out of line very often.