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MyTurn2Raise
08-26-2005, 03:16 AM
Hey all, for anyone who's noticed, I've picked this game up over the last month and a half or so. so far, it's ok. Positive 1.06BB/100 hands after 26k hands. I'm not exactly pleased with this. Investigating my hands, I see that I fold an abnormally large amount of the time to a river bet--near 38%. This is about double the average of players in my database. Without posting a thousand hand histories, is this a sign of throwing away too many potential winners or chasing on flops that miss me?

BTW-My showdown win percentage is 63.89% (pretty average, which I'm disappointed in). VPIP 19.37%. W$WSF 30.84%. WTSD 37.98%.

MyTurn2Raise
08-26-2005, 03:20 AM
Oh yeah....this is from .5/1 to 5/10 on party skins and ultimate bet

Notorious G.O.B.
08-26-2005, 03:37 AM
Fold less, sir. Around 50% is good for a win at showdown percentage.

Ribbo
08-26-2005, 03:42 AM
It's a sign that your starting hand selection is not good enough. If you played better cards to start with, you would have something to call the river bets with.

Notorious G.O.B.
08-26-2005, 03:52 AM
Actually I didn't notice this was for Omaha. I don't specifically know, but I bet it's about the same.

GooperMC
08-26-2005, 09:07 AM
I only have data from .5/1 to 2/4 with the majority of it coming at .5/1 but looking at my database your WtSD is actually high.

It could be a difference in levels (.5/1 plays very differently from 5/10) but I have WtSD 30ish and W$SD 61.

Maybe you should post the distribution of your what levels you played you hands along with your other stats like aggression, PRF, ...

MyTurn2Raise
08-26-2005, 01:48 PM
Lvl |Hands |VPIP |W$WSF |bb/100 |WTSD |W$SD |PFR |Scoop%
'3/6 |6620 |19.74 |32.65 |(1.03)| |37.51 |64.65 |3.81 |5.03
'2/4 |9271 |18.75 |30.61 ||0.75|| |37.13 |61.64 |3.20 |4.96
'1/2 |1737 |18.94 |31.99 ||4.11|| |37.92 |70.39 |2.88 |4.09
.5/1 |8195 |19.73 |30.10 ||2.47|| |39.47 |63.57|1.84 |4.41
LVL FlopAgg TurnAgg RiverAgg TotalAgg
'3/6 1.23----1.29----1.14-----1.23
'2/4 1.10----1.19----1.19-----1.15
'1/2 0.88----1.40----1.19-----1.11
.5/1 0.90----0.97----0.90-----0.92

MyTurn2Raise
08-26-2005, 01:55 PM
I feel naked in front of everyone.

I'm completely re-evaluating my game though, so thanks for this uber-valuable feedback.
Besides folding to river bets so much, which I don't quite understand (Hence, the post). I am:

1. Moving up limits too fast. I clearly do not possess the skills to beat the 3/6 yet and my 2/4 performance is nothing to brag about.

2. Not showing down winners at the river enough. Nearly all the best players in my database are 67% and up.

3. Not utilizing the proper amount of aggression. I've noticed the best players seem to have a rising aggression with river > turn > flop > pre-flop.

I understand these things and have plans. The folding to river bets, however, is consistently between 37% and 39% for all levels. I do not understand that.

I have this fear that I'm not reading the board as well as I think.