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Isura
08-25-2005, 11:16 PM
The opener is loose, but doesn't seem too aggro. Although, he has opened the previous 2 hands. The caller is loose and bad, he just doubled me up with KK vs his AQ all in on the flop (he had no pair). Push or see a flop?

***** Hand History for Game 2598396670 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:15165274 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, August 25, 23:11:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 22502 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: cobra023 ( $595 )
Seat 1: Rd_King ( $1130 )
Seat 8: briandslot ( $1825 )
Seat 5: convitnuoc ( $1010 )
Seat 3: paul1647 ( $3735 )
Seat 7: testbatsmen1 ( $1705 )
Trny:15165274 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to testbatsmen1 [ Kd Ah ]
briandslot raises [275].
Rd_King folds.
cobra023 folds.
paul1647 folds.
convitnuoc calls [225].
testbatsmen1 ?

bluefeet
08-25-2005, 11:48 PM
i would just call the additional t175. check/pushing any A or K. it sounds like you'd get the call with a push PF. i wouldn't vote for a race at this stage of the game.

Ps. UTG's raise looks a bit purposeful (vs. a straight 3x, 4x). have you noticed this similar "odd" amount previously? any reason to be suspicious?

psyduck
08-25-2005, 11:50 PM
I push here.

FE + ability to see all 5 cards + being called often by hands like KQs and AQ = auto-push for me

Isura
08-26-2005, 12:22 AM
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Ps. UTG's raise looks a bit purposeful (vs. a straight 3x, 4x). have you noticed this similar "odd" amount previously? any reason to be suspicious?


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I didn't look too much into it. He had been varying his betting amounts from 2.5 to 4 times the bb.

bluefeet
08-26-2005, 12:26 AM
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Ps. UTG's raise looks a bit purposeful (vs. a straight 3x, 4x). have you noticed this similar "odd" amount previously? any reason to be suspicious?


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I didn't look too much into it. He had been varying his betting amounts from 2.5 to 4 times the bb.

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that's cool. if it was a little out of character, it can make you wonder......"conserving chips on a hand he's quite willing to dump to a push?" - or - "a monster looking for a little action - being a bit smallish raise coming from UTG?".

bigt439
08-26-2005, 12:34 AM
Yup, this is a clear push for me too. A bunch of FE, a nice chunk of dead money, and a very small chance you're in trouble. I hate calling as it puts in almost 1/5 of your stack and you only get to see 3 cards. Obviously no FE either.

Isura
08-26-2005, 12:36 AM
I hear you guys mention bunch of FE. What how much FE do we really have? If we could quantify it, I think the result would be that pushing is marginally +EV. I don't see how often an utg raiser will fold to a push in this spot. I see getting called by 77+ and AQ.

bigt439
08-26-2005, 12:50 AM
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I hear you guys mention bunch of FE. What how much FE do we really have? If we could quantify it, I think the result would be that pushing is marginally +EV. I don't see how often an utg raiser will fold to a push in this spot. I see getting called by 77+ and AQ.

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That calling range sounds reasonable, but I bet he's raising a lot more than that. It's 6-handed so UTG isn't the distinction it sometimes is. I'm always surprised how many folds I get in places like this. This hand taught me how FE shows up in the funniest places:

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Lehait (2925)
Seat 2: igotufold (1260)
Seat 3: ktuck47 (2430)
Seat 4: Goline (1025)
Seat 6: DeVereHunt (945)
Seat 7: storm007 (830)
Seat 10: Me (585)
storm007 posts small blind (75)
I posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ 7h, Kd ]
Lehait folds.
igotufold folds.
ktuck47 folds.
Goline folds.
DeVereHunt folds.
storm007 raises (375) to 450
I raise (435) to 585
I'm all-In.
storm007 folds.



This is quite obviously a joke, but a funny one. He took half his clock to fold too, so it's doubtful it was a misclick.