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RiverFenix

08-25-2005, 07:38 PM

No reads, 2nd hand followed about 3 orbits after the first. I hadnt seen him play against anyone else.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP ($72.30)
Button ($72.65)
SB ($112.35)
Hero ($81.95)
UTG ($85.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6.

River: ($28.50) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP raises to $30, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $88.50

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BB ($119.65)
UTG ($75.68)
MP ($125.67)
CO ($100.25)
Hero ($97.85)
SB ($95.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1, UTG folds, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $5, SB folds, BB raises to $15, MP folds, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($36) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $25, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $61

orange

08-25-2005, 07:47 PM

Hand 1: I think I c/c the turn instead of leading and block the river (as you did). Nh IMO.

Hand 2: I may play it super aggressive and 3-bet the flop, but because we have position, your line is fine IMO. The turn is tough, and I'd have trouble letting this one go. Does anyone just flat call the flop? How about 3 betting it?

stu-unger

08-25-2005, 07:56 PM

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No reads, 2nd hand followed about 3 orbits after the first. I hadnt seen him play against anyone else.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP ($72.30)
Button ($72.65)
SB ($112.35)
Hero ($81.95)
UTG ($85.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6.

River: ($28.50) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP raises to $30, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $88.50

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($119.65)
UTG ($75.68)
MP ($125.67)
CO ($100.25)
Hero ($97.85)
SB ($95.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1, UTG folds, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $5, SB folds, BB raises to $15, MP folds, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($36) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $25, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $61

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hand 1: this is sort of a wierd hand. i dont lead this flop though. i think there are a few lines that u can take here. i definitly think i c/c this flop. i may lead this turn but after picking up a draw and the board pairing i think c/c again is best unless u r willing to 3bet this turn. river is read dependent. if villain doesn't bluff the river i lead. if villain is over aggro i c/c once again. i know this is a weak line but it gets us to showdown and gets the most value out of hands we beat.

hand 2:i undertand why u raised the flop in this hand but u have position and a hand that doesn't mind a few more villains. i like c/c, c/c, play river based on what comes.

i know these lines are weak sause, but they get us to where we want to be without commiting a lot of chips to mediocre hands.

ajmargarine

08-25-2005, 08:42 PM

Hand #1 - I think I prefer to c/c all the way down.

Hand #2 - I like the semi-bluff raise with an awesome draw. Usually, it gets checked to you then on the turn and you get to see 2 cards for free. Just calling would be fine also. I think the trouble with just calling, is that if a diamond hits you won't likely get paid as much as the fact that you are drawing is manifest by your flop call.

As played, I would probably push after he 3-bets you. You've got 15 outs. You're going to make a straight or a flush here 54% of the time with 2 cards to come. He's hard pressed to call unless he has a made straight already, so you have some FE.

jjacky

08-25-2005, 08:44 PM

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Hand 1: I think I c/c the turn instead of leading and block the river (as you did). Nh IMO.

Hand 2: I may play it super aggressive and 3-bet the flop, but because we have position, your line is fine IMO. The turn is tough, and I'd have trouble letting this one go. Does anyone just flat call the flop? How about 3 betting it?

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i would really like to move in on the flop in hand 2. this move provides nice fold equity and even if we get called we are in not too bad a shape. against a made 7 high straight or a set, we have 40% equity. against AA or 2 pair, we are around even money and against an overpair lower than aces we are a 3:2 favorite.

amoeba

08-26-2005, 12:33 AM

I check call the river in hand 1.

I think I push the flop in hand 2.

xorbie

08-26-2005, 12:45 AM

Hand 1: I check/call, check/call, lead. This gets you the most out of a bluff, and then gets you the most out of a decent A now that you've got that beat as well on the river. Leading this flop will just fold out QK type hands unnecessarily.

Hand 2: Either call the original flop bet or just get all in. I think I like calling with another caller in the middle there, because you can easily build a pot if someone else hits a flush or hits a straight when you hit a flush.

JaBlue

08-26-2005, 12:49 AM

Hand one is wierd. Looks like a poorly played set of jacks but I'm still calling this river.

Hand two I push over him on the flop.