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08-25-2005, 06:50 PM
PokerStars Game #2420923148: Tournament #11736219, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/08/25 - 17:10:39 (ET)
Table '11736219 3' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Hardball68 (1835 in chips)
Seat 3: dom462 (1485 in chips)
Seat 6: pocketjohn (9515 in chips)
Seat 7: pez4 (1363 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Trialblazer6 (5262 in chips)
pocketjohn: posts small blind 50
pez4: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dom462 [Ah Ts]
Trialblazer6: calls 100
Hardball68: folds
dom462: raises 300 to 400
pocketjohn: folds
pez4: folds
Trialblazer6: raises 4862 to 5262 and is all-in
dom462: calls 1085 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3s 3c 5s]
*** TURN *** [3s 3c 5s] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [3s 3c 5s 7c] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Trialblazer6: shows [As Ad] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
dom462: shows [Ah Ts] (a pair of Threes)
Trialblazer6 collected 3120 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3120 | Rake 0
Board [3s 3c 5s 7c 2h]
Seat 2: Hardball68 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dom462 (button) showed [Ah Ts] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: pocketjohn (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: pez4 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Trialblazer6 showed [As Ad] and won (3120) with two pair, Aces and Threes

I recently was playing in this three table sit and go. We were down to 11 players in the whole tournament and I was in tenth position. My chip stack was almost a third of the average stack and my table image was very tight as I had been getting a very cold run of cards so I had started to become a lot more looser with my pre-flop play.
In this hand the player in first position is a fairly aggressive and solid player. He limps in. I raise with my ATo he raises to all-in. Now because he originally limped in first position I never even considered him coming in with any high pocket pair. I took the chance and called. Am I right in my thinking? I have never seen any decent player limp in with AA or high pair in first position. Has anyone else?

Dom

Catt
08-25-2005, 07:05 PM
I don't play NL . . . but when a solid, tight player in EP limps and reraises my ATo all-in, I would think I would find a fold pretty damn quickly.

EStreet20
08-25-2005, 07:10 PM
I'm a limit player but the rule of thumb is that an open limp/reraise generally means a large pocket pair, nearly always AA or KK.
Easy fold there.
good luck
Matt

jzpiano14
08-25-2005, 07:14 PM
standard, fold

jman220
08-25-2005, 08:57 PM
You misplayed this hand severely, for a number of reasons. There is nothing wrong with openlimping aces in a 10 handed game, especially if it is fairly aggressive and you are planning to come over the top of a raise you are pretty sure is coming. Further, you called a limp-reraise with A/10... wtf did you think he had that your A/10 beat? His hand is screaming strength. There are more reasons why this was a bad call (the fact that it was a tournament, your chip position relative to the rest of the table, etc. etc.), but I won't go into it. This is a fold, and its not even close.

OrangeKing
08-25-2005, 10:21 PM
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You misplayed this hand severely, for a number of reasons. There is nothing wrong with openlimping aces in a 10 handed game, especially if it is fairly aggressive and you are planning to come over the top of a raise you are pretty sure is coming.

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Exactly - and in this case, when it's 5 handed, you might even be more likely to see people making plays like this.

To the OP - definitely have to fold here. I won't go nearly as far as saying that the player in first position has to have AA or KK here, but it's going to be a big hand - and AT will almost never be a favorite over it.

CORed
08-26-2005, 12:06 PM
I don't play tournaments or NL much, but in very tight or very agressive limit cash games, I open limp-reraise aces fairly often. If an open raise is likely to get only the blinds, or a limp will usually be re-raised, it's the best play.

utmt40
08-26-2005, 12:15 PM
Fold pre flop.

APSIV
08-26-2005, 01:15 PM
It is extremely common for people to limp in from 1st position with KK or AA. When playing in higher limit games (usually better players), I'm always watching out for the early limper.

nuclear500
08-26-2005, 01:26 PM
Welcome to an example of advanced strategy against weaker players.

cincy_kid24
08-26-2005, 01:40 PM
Its called a limp-reraise, he was counting on you to raise and then think to yourself "I have never seen a decent player...etc" so he could get the call. You said it yourself that he was a solid player and limp-reraising is essentially a preflop checkraise which will almost always indicate a strong to monster holding like QQ - AA.
In th future be suspicious of any kind of bet solid/agg. players make in EP, trust me, they are perfectly aware of their position.

Tea_Bagger
08-26-2005, 03:44 PM
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I have never seen any decent player limp in with AA or high pair in first position. Has anyone else?

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All the time.