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Bodhi
08-25-2005, 02:55 PM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

The BB is slightly loose and passive.

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero...
car ramrod
08-25-2005, 02:59 PM
not enough, I wouldn't even think to attempt this river bet. But thats just me, HU yea I could see it.
tiltaholic
08-25-2005, 03:00 PM
i'd say little, since you didn't raise preflop. but maybe more than 9% of the time they both fold. especially if you have a really tight image and haven't shown down losers.

and i think you should have raised preflop.
Bodhi
08-25-2005, 03:03 PM
Ok, thanx. FWiW, hero checks, and the BB took the pot with 73s. It's always frustrating for me to flop and oesfd and not complete it.
aces_dad
08-25-2005, 03:03 PM
I agree HU it's much more likely to work but against 2, does it really work the 10:1 or so against these two?

If I knew the other player (not BB) was loose/passive calling station also I'm less inclinded to make this bet.
aces_dad
08-25-2005, 03:05 PM
Well at least you know the river bet was unlikely to work.

BTW BB really shut down to your raise, surprised he didn't bet the river when the flush/straight draws busted.
milesdyson
08-25-2005, 03:14 PM
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Well at least you know the river bet was unlikely to work.

BTW BB really shut down to your raise, surprised he didn't bet the river when the flush/straight draws busted.

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he had 73 on a 738AA board. a flopped pair of 8s or 7s (with a 9+ kicker) beats him.

anyway i wouldn't have bet the turn.
imported_CaseClosed326
08-25-2005, 03:16 PM
I don't think you have any fold equity.

edit

This is from the guy who has completly give up trying to get people to fold better hands.
Marquis
08-25-2005, 03:17 PM
You should check the turn.
aces_dad
08-25-2005, 04:39 PM
Right didn't see the river A counterfit, that makes his play make more sense.
GrunchCan
08-25-2005, 04:53 PM
I think you definitely have more than zero FE, but I doubt you have enough. I think it's closer than others are suggesting, however. You only need to get both to fold about 9% of the time to make betting +EV, since there's no way you have the best hand. Given that you have 2 opponents, 9% is close.
LoaferGee12
08-25-2005, 04:55 PM
Why'd you bet the turN?
Bodhi
08-25-2005, 10:10 PM
To make money. With 15 outs to the nuts, betting the turn is for value.
LoaferGee12
08-25-2005, 11:11 PM
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To make money. With 15 outs to the nuts, betting the turn is for value.

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Only if all 3 call, correct?
Marquis
08-25-2005, 11:25 PM
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To make money. With 15 outs to the nuts, betting the turn is for value.

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Turn bets for value never work.