skill difference

I left the SNGs some weeks ago and I'm back playing a variety of 10-handed limit tables...1/2, 2/4, 3/6 and a little 5/10 (I sit when there is an open seat - no particular preference). Maybe because I'm not paying more attention to my games (I surf the net, watch TV, fool around with my girl, etc.), but I'm not seeing a very big difference in play by the other hands. I seem to make about 10-15BB/hr regardless of the table I'm playing (I'm completely comfortable with that - poker isn't my breadwinner). At what level does the table become markedly more difficult to play, or am I just a dope thinking there is some sort of grand scheme?.

[Entity]

You're not winning 10-15bb/hr at any of these tables unless you're 10-15 tabling. The marked skill difference overall probably starts to happen at 3/6 online, though in all honesty most players are bad at 3/6 but just tight.

Rob

is my math wrong...start playing at 9 with $100 at the 1/2. Close up the laptop at 11 with $120. $20 in two hours, $1BB?

BB stands for Big Bets, so would be $2 in the 1/2 game.

[krubban]

The BB is 2$ meaning you won 5BB/hour which is unsustainable. You can't figure out your winrate from a 2-hour session. :P

[chief444]

You're math is wrong but you're missing the point. No one wins steadily at half the rate you think you're winning at. If you win at 1/8 of that rate playing one table you're doing well. You just had a lucky start is all.

[SeaEagle]

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start playing at 9 with $100 at the 1/2. Close up the laptop at 11 with $120. $20 in two hours, $1BB?

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This is 5BB/hr. If you're only playing a single table, you're running hot and shouldn't expect to maintain that rate.

As for the difference in players, each level has more good players than the previous level. However, depending on your skill, you might not notice the difference at all levels. For instance, the .50/1 and 1/2 tables tend to have enough awful players that the introduction of a tag or two at 1/2 over .50/1 isn't all that noticeable.

IMO, 3/6 is the first level where most people have read a book and at least understand basic concepts such as pot odds and position. 5/10 is the first level where most people start to understand more advanced concepts, generally associated with postflop aggression and hand reading.

The answer would be dope...I thought BB was big blinds - my bad. Still...I don't play for much longer than two hours at a time. When (how many hands or hrs)does your win rate become statistically significant. What is a respectable rate at small stakes?

Typically people present it as BB/100 hands. Personally I think at 1/2 you should be able to beat it 3-4BB/100 pretty easily. 2/4,3/6 I think 2BB/100 is pretty good, though some do better.

[peterchi]

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is my math wrong...start playing at 9 with $100 at the 1/2. Close up the laptop at 11 with $120. $20 in two hours, $1BB?

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Your one-session bb/hr would be 5bb/hr, because one bb is $2 at 1/2, and you made $10/hr.

That would translate to something like 3bb/100 (hands). This is quite high, particularly for 5/10. I would venture to guess that you aren't averaging this much in the long run. A losing session brings down your average much more than you might think.

In regards to your other question, yes the games do get harder at higher limits. That's not to say that you can't find easy 10/20 games, or hard 2/4 games. But if you're asking for a general trend (which I think you are, since you don't practice any table selection), I'd say we're looking at something like this, in terms of general difficulty:

1/2 << 2/4 <<<<< 3/6 < 5/10

[chief444]

You play what...100 hands a day. Maybe 200. Play that every day for the next three years and you might start getting close. I played 2000 hands already this morning. Playing 100 hands a day you'll have months of losing money even if your good.

A respectable rate is really anything positive. But don't expect to make over 3 BB/100 even if you're a solid player...that's about 1.5-2 BB/hr playing 1 table. That would be excellent. Like I said you just had a lucky start.

[TheHip41]

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I left the SNGs some weeks ago and I'm back playing a variety of 10-handed limit tables...1/2, 2/4, 3/6 and a little 5/10 (I sit when there is an open seat - no particular preference). Maybe because I'm not paying more attention to my games (I surf the net, watch TV, fool around with my girl, etc.), but I'm not seeing a very big difference in play by the other hands. I seem to make about 10-15BB/hr regardless of the table I'm playing (I'm completely comfortable with that - poker isn't my breadwinner). At what level does the table become markedly more difficult to play, or am I just a dope thinking there is some sort of grand scheme?.

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Oh, so you are on an upswing. Come back in a few weeks after you hit some negative variance.

wasn't trying to be pompous, jerkoff - had an honest question, wasn't computing correctly, haven't logged enough time to be significant and looks like I have been pretty lucky from the getgo. go back to sitting on your thumb.

everybody else, I appreciate the responses...I can't know until I learn. Thanks.

[peterchi]

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The answer would be dope...I thought BB was big blinds - my bad. Still...I don't play for much longer than two hours at a time. When (how many hands or hrs)does your win rate become statistically significant. What is a respectable rate at small stakes?

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100k hands

But winrate has nothing to do with respectability. Some of the best posters on here run bad for some 50k hands or more, but I'll still respect them and take their advice if their reasoning is sound.

[TheHip41]

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wasn't trying to be pompous, jerkoff - had an honest question, wasn't computing correctly, haven't logged enough time to be significant and looks like I have been pretty lucky from the getgo. go back to sitting on your thumb.

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I posted before I read all the replies and realized you weren't just penis waving. I edited it right away. You must have beat me to it. I apologize. Hope you keep winning.

[chief444]

EC,

It also depends a lot on when you play. My win rate is significantly lower now that I play the majority of my hands in the mornings (worst time of day) then it was when I played evenings and weekends.

Chief

no harm taken hip. i apologize for the somewhat brutal response - you don't really have sit on your thumb if you don't prefer LOL

Just wondering Cheif, why do you do that?

[chief444]

Because I still make twice as much as I did working and I have evenings and weekends free to do other things I enjoy more than poker. I'm a pretty simple guy that likes simple things and I don't care if I could make a significant amount more playing at times I'd rather not be playing.

[shant]

Yo mama's so stupid she plays poker with a ruler handy to see how long the long run really is.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN.

[peterchi]

Is that the same guy in TT's avatar?

[shant]

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Is that the same guy in TT's avatar?

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Yes.

makes sense man. does suck playing the "peak hours". I don't do it for a living just a couple nights a week to make some $$$. How long have you been pro for.

[peterchi]

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Is that the same guy in TT's avatar?

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Yes.

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Which local hero is he?
Is it Klepton?

-just a curious noob

[chief444]

Only a month and a half now.

[ThisHo]

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I left the SNGs some weeks ago and I'm back playing a variety of 10-handed limit tables...1/2, 2/4, 3/6 and a little 5/10 (I sit when there is an open seat - no particular preference). Maybe because I'm not paying more attention to my games (I surf the net, watch TV, fool around with my girl , etc.), but I'm not seeing a very big difference in play by the other hands. I seem to make about 10-15BB/hr regardless of the table I'm playing (I'm completely comfortable with that - poker isn't my breadwinner). At what level does the table become markedly more difficult to play, or am I just a dope thinking there is some sort of grand scheme?.

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Is this the secret to winning 15BB/Hr?

ThisHo

[shant]

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Is that the same guy in TT's avatar?

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Yes.

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Which local hero is he?
Is it Klepton?

-just a curious noob

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Yup.

I'm leaning toward yeah. But really I haven't played enough, incorrectly estimated a winrate and, so far, am pretty lucky.

You guys like multi-screening, I guess i'm into the multi-button (mouse, remote, lady).

I'm out - gotta 2:30 tee. Good luck.