Sucked Out On Again???

[RollaJ]

Not that this will prove anything, but I was was wondering at which site do you get sucked out on the most and see others get sucked out on?

[jek187]

If everyone answers this question honestly, the answer should be the site they log the most hours/hands on.

[beernutz]

You could look at it this way: the site where you get sucked out on the most has the most fish. They are the one's drawing with long odds who are ultimately going to be doing the sucking.

[RiverMel]

Wouldn't the answer to this question for almost all people be the site they play on the most? Even if there were something fishy going on at any particular site, if one were to play more at another site, chances are they'll still see more suckouts at the site they play at most.

[RollaJ]

Not that this will prove anything, but .............. -RollaJ@ the beginning of this thread

And I play 80% at paradise and that is far from where I see the most suckouts

[Emperor]

Ok if you are playing low limit anything... Then you should be the one sucking out, when you have odds.(See Abdul's Theory of Sucking Out) When your pocket kings get cracked for the 50th time in a row, it comes down to you didn't suckout enough to make a better hand. You make your money when you limp reraise with your ATs (after 11 limpers) and suckout your flush with the river card.

If you're playing 3/6 or over, then you can start getting frustrated about those cracked Kings.

[RiverMel]

And I play 80% at paradise and that is far from where I see the most suckouts

You are either lying, deluded, have a terrible memory, or some combination of the above.

[beernutz]

This is not really possible is it Rollaj? You play Paradise 4x as much as any other site, yet you believe there is a site where you see MORE suckouts than at Paradise? Or do you mean relatively more suckouts (suckouts seen at site/total amount of hands played at site)?

[Mike Haven]

SunrisePoker Game #4764047 -- 4/8/2003 8:59:22 AM (CST)
Holdem - Table Africa - $0.5/$1
Seat 1: Mike Haven from Belfast ($26.25)
Seat 2: novaarvind from storm lake ($29.25)
Seat 3: jensom from Mason City ($16.25)
Seat 4: filbert47 from Sparta ($38.25)
Seat 5: phyliss_liu from Guiaitajai ($44.5)
Seat 6: nortant from kouvola ($37.75)
Seat 7: holodil from cascais ($297.25)
Seat 8: jientje from georgetown ($9.75)
Seat 9: ckj1 from ely ($25)
Dealer at seat 5
nortant posts the small blind ($0.25)
holodil posts the big blind ($0.5)
Dealt to Mike Haven [As, Kd]
jientje folds
ckj1 folds
Mike Haven raises ($1)
novaarvind folds
jensom folds
filbert47 folds
phyliss_liu folds
nortant calls ($0.75)
Dealing community cards: [3s, 2d, 7c]
nortant checks
Mike Haven bets ($0.5)
nortant calls ($0.5)
Dealing community cards: [3s, 2d, 7c] [Ad]
nortant checks
Mike Haven bets ($1)
nortant calls ($1)
Dealing community cards: [3s, 2d, 7c, Ad] [4d]
nortant checks
Mike Haven bets ($1)
nortant calls ($1)
Mike Haven shows [As, Kd]
nortant shows [8d, 6d]
nortant wins $7.25 with a flush, ace high

[Emperor]

Hey "but they were sooted" :P

[Mike Haven]

"but they were sooted"

yep - but i guess these weren't?

Game #4778017 -- 4/8/2003 6:38:48 PM (CST)
Holdem - Table New York - $0.5/$1
Seat 1: kish27 from uppsala ($52.25)
Seat 2: fagan from Swainsboro ($10)
Seat 3: Mike Haven from Belfast ($47.25)
Seat 4: gorazio from Fort Collins ($3.25)
Seat 7: chen_cmm from lincoln ($14.25)
Seat 8: jleigh from cordoba ($25.5)
Seat 9: sakshamsharm from rome ($12.75)
Seat 10: diod from pine bluff ($32.25)
Dealer at seat 9
diod posts the small blind ($0.25)
kish27 posts the big blind ($0.5)
Dealt to Mike Haven [Kh, Qd]
fagan calls ($0.5)
Mike Haven calls ($0.5)
gorazio folds
chen_cmm calls ($0.5)
jleigh calls ($0.5)
sakshamsharm calls ($0.5)
diod calls ($0.25)
kish27 checks
Dealing community cards: [6h, Qs, Jd]
gorazio sits out (5 minimum stakes needed)
diod checks
kish27 checks
fagan checks
Mike Haven bets ($0.5)
chen_cmm folds
jleigh folds
sakshamsharm folds
diod folds
kish27 folds
fagan folds
Mike Haven wins $4

[RollaJ]

I have no reason to lie, and I am not deluded, at least i dont remember being diagnosed as deluded........ hey that may be the problem....... The truth is the only reason this may be the case is that at Paradise I play ring games so in general the NLHE players no a bit more about how to play NL and will not take a draw up against an all-in/pot sized bet, while at Stars I play tourneys where the majority of players are limit players just taking a shot at Nl and some big money.

In regards to mike havens posts, I have no problem being sucked out on in limit poker, it happens many times pot/implied odds justify trying to suck out as long as its not to a 2 outer. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[Emperor]

Do you usually limp in with KQ with a bunch of callers?

I ALWAYS fold. The only times I play with KQ is if they are sooted, I'm in LP, and half the table limped to me, or if I am opening in LP.

Is this wrong?

[maplepig]

I just had some terrible suck out today on Party. I played total 3 tournaments, twice flush got beaten by river full house HEADS UP!!! last game I got zero hand to play, no money for today. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

[Mike Haven]

far be it from me to say that you are wrong - there was only one limper ahead of me - i think normally i would raise here if i wanted to enter the pot - i can see me folding a lot normally, too

BUT

this was at sunrise and, trust me, things are - ahem - a little "different" there

i know exactly how to play there now and i do not believe the "sunrise system" i play there would work anywhere else (the bad news is there is a fair chance their system will change after this post so i might be back to the drawing board for a few days while i work out their new tweaks)

i have collected dozens of hands from sunrise that would make your mind boggle - here's another one i happen to have to hand - it might give you a clue as to why i limped with KQ:

Game #4618871 -- 4/4/2003 6:09:02 PM (CST)
Holdem - Table New York - $0.5/$1
joe_kool01 posts the small blind ($0.25)
jleigh posts the big blind ($0.5)
Dealt to Mike Haven [5d, Ts]
nola01 calls ($0.5)
dariuszeku folds
Mike Haven folds
krupis folds
SANJAY28 folds
joe_kool01 calls ($0.25)
jleigh checks
Dealing community cards: [As, Jc, 7h]
joe_kool01 checks
jleigh checks
nola01 checks
Dealing community cards: [As, Jc, 7h] [2s]
joe_kool01 checks
jleigh checks
nola01 checks
Dealing community cards: [As, Jc, 7h, 2s] [Js]
joe_kool01 checks
jleigh checks
nola01 checks
joe_kool01 shows [6d, 2d]
jleigh mucks
nola01 shows [5s, 4s]
nola01 wins $1.5 with a flush, ace high

[RollaJ]

"......so in general the NLHE players no a bit more ....."

Brain fart....s/b be "know" of course /forums/images/icons/blush.gif