Review: Several MP Hands [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

08-25-2005, 03:11 AM

I've been going through this micropost and checking out the hands. I like the idea a lot: the situations are pretty similar to what I'm used to seeing at the tables. Anyway, some hands. We're looking at hands 52, 67, 69, 70, 75, 79. Mods, delete this if its too many HHs or if I did something wrong in general.

- - - HAND 52 - - -

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Preflop: Hero is MP with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, MICROPOSTER raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
 MICROPOSTER bets, Button raises, MICROPOSTER calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
 MICROPOSTER checks, Button bets, MICROPOSTER calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
 MICROPOSTER checks, Button bets, MICROPOSTER calls.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB

Chasing a dream here? You've only got five outs--I'd say fold this after that flop raise.

- - - HAND 67 - - -

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, MICROPOSTER checks.

Flop: (2.33 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
 MICROPOSTER checks, Button checks.

Turn: (1.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
 MICROPOSTER bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 2.16 BB

- - - HAND 69 - - -

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MICROPOSTER raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, MICROPOSTER bets, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 3.16 BB

These two hands confuse me.

On hand 1 you're not getting anywhere near the odds to make a bet (implied or pot), and you have just waisted 1BB on a 1.16BB pot if that J pairs villain.

On hand 2 you're hoping for an A, because that 7 would be second-best pair on board. Are you betting to deceive (i.e. 4-flush)?

- - - HAND 70 - - -

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, SB completes, MICROPOSTER raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MICROPOSTER bets, UTG folds, SB raises, MICROPOSTER calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, MICROPOSTER checks.

River: (5 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, MICROPOSTER calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

At least fold this river. You get odds on his raise (5:1), but you have no hand by the river. Every BB counts.

- - - HAND 75 - - -

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
 MICROPOSTER raises, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
 MICROPOSTER bets, CO raises, MICROPOSTER calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
 MICROPOSTER checks, CO bets, MICROPOSTER calls.

River: (6.66 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
 MICROPOSTER checks, CO bets, MICROPOSTER calls.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB

Fold this turn. You're no longer getting odds for your overcards and your BDSD (which was only 1.5 outs anyway at best) is no longer coming.

- - - HAND 79 - - -

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
 MICROPOSTER raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, MICROPOSTER bets, BB raises, MICROPOSTER calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, MICROPOSTER folds.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

Fold this hand on the flop raise. You're not getting odds and you're drawing dead.

A common theme among all these hands is the willingness to VPIP despite not getting odds. I can see the logic at the time (3-flush plus overcards look tempting) but you're not getting odds on most. I can count some...7BBs you lost here based on calling w/out odds alone.

Also, you semibluff a LOT. There's several hands that lent themselves to check-raises where you bet as last to act. I'll edit with hand numbers tomorrow morning.

EDIT: I forgot to add: please make sure to point out any flaws or gaps in logic in my own analysis. I'm sure you guys will have a field day with this.

@bsolute_luck

08-25-2005, 06:17 AM

IMO, there is not only a HUGE difference between full ring and 6-max, but a difference (though probably not as drastic) between .5/1 6-max and 3/6 max.

so, and this isn't degrading to you, but applied to me and a lot of others: w/o extensive experience in higher limit, 6-max play, much of these hands will be difficult to understand, plus being HU, reads are really important, which sadly there isn't any.

but it is fun to learn anyways /images/graemlins/grin.gif

so...

hand #52: we don't know what Button cold calls with, so it is tough to say. but HU, you have 2nd pair TK, villain could have a weaker T, a flush/straight draw, maybe even a smaller pocket pair, so folding the flop is bad.
the turn you pick up a gutshot as well, and by the river, i'm guessing the pot is big enough to pay off.

hand #67:
open limper and weakness on the flop, plus it's a semi-bluff flush draw.

hand #69: scary flop, continuation bet, the rewards of being aggressive preflop.

hand #70: flush draws are sometimes played this way. if he had paired anything on the board, he would have fired again on the turn (probably). seeing as we didn't bet when checked to on the turn or 3-bet the flop c/r, villain figures we have nothing too, so makes a desperation bet on the river. A-high wins more often higher up as people play less straightforward (read HUSH forum a bit and you'll see)

hand #75 pretty much the same as hand #52

hand #79 the same as hand #70 except, this villain has the stones to bet again on the turn if he has the flush draw or most likely he paired something and our hand is much weaker.

HU and 6-max, it becomes more important to play the person as well as the cards. plus people, again, are less straightforward so you payoff more, catch more bluffs, and see more marginal hands played aggressively.

08-25-2005, 01:53 PM

52: This is being discussed in another thread. I have 5 probable outs on the flop, 9 on the turn and I think the river is the only close decision.

67: Actually, I probably should have just bet the flop with my gutshot and backdoor draw. You need to take stabs at little pots some of the time in 6-max. On the turn, I had at least 13 outs and fold equity, so I bet.

69: This flop is a must bet. I raised preflop to isolate the limper, who was terrible and loose. With 5.33 SB in the pot, I've got great fold equity and often the best hand as well. Giving a free card would be awful.

70: SB played his hand like a diamond flush draw. Seriously, what do you c/r the flop into the preflop raiser with and then check the turn? I have the best hand a lot on the river here.

75: Yeah, I can probably fold the turn. I may have had a read that I'm not remembering, however.

79: This hand is a little loosey goosey, but note that it is 4-handed. Calling the flop raise is pretty thin, yeah.