NL buyin on NL game?

[dollyfan]

The Harrah's casino in southern Illinios has recently gotten a poker room with four tables. The only NL table(2 and 5 blinds) that it has has NL on the buyins allowing people to sit down with thousands of dollars in chips and bully us that can only afford to sit down with 200-300 dollars. Is this normal/right ?

I wouldn't assume this is a bad thing. It kills your drawing opportunity because you'll rarely be getting the right odds to just smooth call on a draw, but you have a huge upside when you make a strong hand. If they think they can push you around(and they might, because you'll be constantly folding draws, middle pairs, etc) then they'll probably try it when you know you've got them beat too. Let them do the betting for you until the river and then make a strong play. They'll probably be confused because you've just been calling the whole time.

Basically, I'm not sure this is a disadvantage, it just means that you can't afford to be flippant with your chips. Play extra tight and similarly aggressive with your hands, and your patience should pay off.

[fimbulwinter]

WOW, i can't believe they let this happen!

real NL should ALWAYS be played with a cap because of the huge advantage given to the big stack. this is clearly a sideways operation. That you are willing to back up the little guy here is admirable. protecting those unable to pay that big is the kind of thing that only a really intelligent, smart, logical person could come up with. hats off to you.

I reccomend contacting your local law enforcement and or govenment official as such shady gambling practices hurt the integrity of poker in general.

fim

[MINETZ]

this is a no max buyin game, it takes a different sort of bankroll to play in these games, usually bullys are a good thing to have as they are usually over agressive.
Noah

[TheWorstPlayer]

Weird that their only NL table is a tournament. Because that's the only type of game I know of where big stacks have an inherent advantage.

[tdarko]

man you need to play in this game, buy in for whatever is the big stack at the table and have fun.

i don't know if its like this anymore but the 5/5 at foxwoods used to be like this and that game was great, is it still like this? i moved so haven't played it in a while.

[miajag81]

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WOW, i can't believe they let this happen!

real NL should ALWAYS be played with a cap because of the huge advantage given to the big stack. this is clearly a sideways operation. That you are willing to back up the little guy here is admirable. protecting those unable to pay that big is the kind of thing that only a really intelligent, smart, logical person could come up with. hats off to you.

I reccomend contacting your local law enforcement and or govenment official as such shady gambling practices hurt the integrity of poker in general.

fim

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Nice.

[muck_nutz]

eh? That is No Limit. The other thing is a capped game. For some reason I think a person with the name "dollyfan" should get this. I actually like bullies. I'm often one of them, but sometimes I buy in short. You can find advantages and disadvantages to both stack sizes. Remember to consider your position relative to the deep money when buying in.

[Big_Jim]

The Wynn doesn't have a cap on it's games, either.

[kagame]

nor the bellagio, commerce, etc

the real games anyway

Someone please go ahead and correct me if i'm wrong.
But isn't it true that if you have $2000 and your opponent has a $100,000, that you are basically for the moment playing with 2K stacks. I mean it should'nt really make a difference and there is probably a ton of ways to exploit your shortstack to make money, i.e. get in with the best of it and let two big stacks duel it out for the side pot (dont usually see 4 or 5 handed in proper big bet games anyways).

[Big_Jim]

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But isn't it true that if you have $2000 and your opponent has a $100,000, that you are basically for the moment playing with 2K stacks.

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NOT TRUE!! If there is no cap on the buy in, people can raise you your car, your house, and your first born child! If you can't match the bet, then your hand is dead.

Table stakes is for the minor leagues.

I once heard that at the big game, Phil Ivey won Daniel Negraneu's soul when his two outer hit on the river.

[MTBlue]

Waaah. If you can't cover the table then play in a lower limit game. There are plenty of short stack strategies floating around the forum look them up. NL is supposed to be played big, and if you don't like it Trump casino in Gary, Indiana has a 2/5 game capped at 200.

[dollyfan]

It's funny how a guy can ask a simple question and get attacked for it. For those who answered my question thank you. I don't travel at all so I have only been to a couple casino's. I don't claim to know eveything or even alot about poker, and that is why I am here asking questions.

[capone0]

There's a cheesy Jamie Fox, Stallone card Movie called Shade in which Stallone and this other guy are mechanics playing in big time games without table stakes......it's pretty cheesy and pretty...rediculous.

[Big_Jim]

LMAO, I've seen that movie.

Didn't they switch the marked cards on him at the end?

[capone0]

Yeah, Stallone starts with KK and gets QQ on the board, other guy gets JJJ, Stallone somehow gets QQQ to magically win.....rofl.

[Big_Jim]

Have you even read Super System, or do you just like Doyle's sweet cowboy hat and floppy neck skin?

The NL game that Doyle refers to in that book has no cap.

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Have you even read Super System, or do you just like Doyle's sweet cowboy hat and floppy neck skin?

The NL game that Doyle refers to in that book has no cap.

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I dont know for sure. But ithink the game the OP is talking about, is not the wager your wife game ala shade that you are referring to sir.
I.e. you can buy in for a million if you want, but my $100 plays your $100. Which is different from the online NL game that we know (i.e. set max buy in, usually 100BB).
i thought your orignal reply was just being sarcastic or joking in some manner, if i'm mistaken then i apologise in advance and stand corrected. Then it would be a gruesome game where the richest man with cash on hand cant loose???
Comments.

[mgsimpleton]

ok ok, negreanu didn't really lose his soul, the charade is over.

[Big_Jim]

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the charade is over.

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No, I swear that this actually happened.

[mgsimpleton]

oh, well, that's crazy then. i'd only bet my soul if i had someone drawing dead, i think. canadians are funny guys.

[grouchie]

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the charade is over.

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No, I swear that this actually happened.

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Every post you make I instinctively read in manson's voice.

I think it definately adds to the flavor sometimes.

[37offsuit]

Yeah, welcome to the forum. As some have pointed out, you can do some research here to find info on short stack play. Basically though you have to play tighter and pick your spots. Because they will bully you, you have one advantage over your large stacked opponents. They will have weaker hands, on average.

As far as the posters here making fun of your question, they're just donks who forgot what it was like to be new here and are so self important that they assume this site was set up entirely for their own benefit. They have a lot to offer as far as Mid-High Stakes NL is concerned, though, so I'd say ignore their stupidity.

[cero_z]

Hi 37o,

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Yeah, welcome to the forum. As some have pointed out, you can do some research here to find info on short stack play. Basically though you have to play tighter and pick your spots. Because they will bully you, you have one advantage over your large stacked opponents. They will have weaker hands, on average.

As far as the posters here making fun of your question, they're just donks who forgot what it was like to be new here and are so self important that they assume this site was set up entirely for their own benefit. They have a lot to offer as far as Mid-High Stakes NL is concerned, though, so I'd say ignore their stupidity.

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Well said. To answer OP's question directly, yes, this is normal/right. The capped buy-in thing is a recent development, to keep a certain size NL game from getting "so big" that the original target audience won't play in it. As far as playing against a big stack goes, he really can't bully you any more by virtue of having $2000 to your $300. It still costs him $300 to bet $300, right?

Having one player buy in for way more than anyone else shouldn't change the game at all; if he's bullying people around, it's probably his aggressive style, and not his money, that's giving you problems. With several $2000 stacks in play, the game WILL change, but this should be a GREAT thing for the short stacks. The big stacks will be preoccupied with busting each other, and will be prone to call your "big" bets, allowing you to get most or all of your stack in against them with the best hand by far, on average. Make sense?

[Mackerel]

Dammit fim, you just busted my sarcasm meter. nh.

[Big_Jim]

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i thought your orignal reply was just being sarcastic or joking in some manner

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You were right. So was the other one when I said it was true.

I have the same type of scenario in my town. The no limit games run twice a week with 3-5 blinds and a 10$ come in. Min buy in is 200...and there is no max. My 500 is nothing compared to the 2-3k stacks.

[fimbulwinter]

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Yeah, welcome to the forum. As some have pointed out, you can do some research here to find info on short stack play. Basically though you have to play tighter and pick your spots. Because they will bully you, you have one advantage over your large stacked opponents. They will have weaker hands, on average.

As far as the posters here making fun of your question, they're just donks who forgot what it was like to be new here and are so self important that they assume this site was set up entirely for their own benefit. They have a lot to offer as far as Mid-High Stakes NL is concerned, though, so I'd say ignore their stupidity.

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oh come on. putting on the kid gloves and tickling his balls is totally depriving him of the experience that is 2+2 MHPLNL.

fim

[LethalRose]

this is redundant but I wouldnt sit down until you have at least 100BB, with only 200-300 itd be too easy for them to bully you then back off once you show some strength. You might get a little out of them when you do have a hand but they can make far more bullying you (if they do it correctly)

just a thought....