the death cry of Poker Prophecy?

[obex]

http://partypokerhacksyou.com/

[taylor]

This is rather disturbing..

" This is a letter to you straight from a former Party Poker employee that we've been in contact with (we used to work with Party Poker to some degree)

Dear Party Poker client,

I worked in the Security Department at Party Poker. I recently quit for the following reasons:

It became part of our job to look at Party Poker clients' computers and search for third party software programs. We did this by inspecting what was on the harddrive and taking screenshots of what the client had open while they were playing poker on Party Poker. I really didn't have a problem with this except...

Party Poker had no controls over the employees that were conducting these searches. None of the employees were screened for security jobs, they had no special clearances or background checks. Most made less in a day than the average American makes in an hour.

A large number of my fellow employees joked about things they found on Party Poker clients' computers. Things such as letters to loved ones, pornography, and other personal information. It became a big joke to see who could find the next funny thing. Even worse, there were whispers of personal financial information found on harddrives of people's computers. What was done with this information, I cannot say, as I quit at this time because of this behavior.

Party Poker itself is not trying to steal your information, however, they have little to no control over the people they hire and give complete access to your personal information.

Best Regards,

Mike (Real name withheld for fear of prosecution) "

* from the above link..

[bones]

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Dear Party Poker client,

I worked in the Security Department at Party Poker. I recently quit for the following reasons:

It became part of our job to look at Party Poker clients' computers and search for third party software programs. We did this by inspecting what was on the harddrive and taking screenshots of what the client had open while they were playing poker on Party Poker. I really didn't have a problem with this except...

Party Poker had no controls over the employees that were conducting these searches. None of the employees were screened for security jobs, they had no special clearances or background checks. Most made less in a day than the average American makes in an hour.

A large number of my fellow employees joked about things they found on Party Poker clients' computers. Things such as letters to loved ones, pornography, and other personal information. It became a big joke to see who could find the next funny thing. Even worse, there were whispers of personal financial information found on harddrives of people's computers. What was done with this information, I cannot say, as I quit at this time because of this behavior.

Party Poker itself is not trying to steal your information, however, they have little to no control over the people they hire and give complete access to your personal information.

Best Regards,

Mike (Real name withheld for fear of prosecution) "


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I call bullshit. I've received many emails from Party employees, and not one has been anywhere near this clear and coherent.

[Hiding]

Just saw it spammed on party as partypokerspies, just redirects to the above site. Not sure why there is all the effort though.

[yid3655]

Just have to laugh at this type of thing really and take no notice

[Freudian]

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Just saw it spammed on party as partypokerspies, just redirects to the above site. Not sure why there is all the effort though.

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Infantile bitterness.

And yes, it is obvious the retards at poker prophecy made up the letter.

[stupidsucker]

I heard from a very very reliable source (A lurker here) that he had come into information about this too. Not so much the personal info and such, but about party taking screen shots of desktops.

Don't want to add fuel to the fire, but I do believe that party takes actions they should not take. I am happy that they want to rid the games of third party software that is harmful, but there is a line. I think they have crossed the line.

I am not very computer savvy, but it is my understanding that everything listed IS possible...Not saying probable..

Can anyone confirm?

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And yes, it is obvious the retards at poker prophecy made up the letter.

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I dont doubt the letter is a farse given the nature of the company involved, but I do believe there is some truth behind it.

[AliasMrJones]

I don't believe it. Why would Party take screenshots? Looking at what programs you have running while Party is running -- yes. They have clearly said they do this and that is how they detect programs they have banned. Searching hard drives and taking screenshots...why would they? I just don't see what they gain over looking at running programs. They don't ban you for owning a piece of software, only for using while you're playing. I doubt that this capability is built into their software, though it is possible.

[lorinda]

It's common knowledge, afterall, you DID sign the T+C that allows them to do it.

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7. Anti-Cheating Software.

We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence ("AI Software") to play on our Services such as, but not limited to opponent-profiling, player collusion, cheating software or anything else that we deem enables you to have an unfair advantage over other players. You acknowledge that the Company will take measures to detect and prevent the use of such programs and AI Software using methods (including but not limited to screen scraping or reading the list of currently running programs on a player’s computer) and you agree not to use any AI Software and/or any such programs. For FAQs on this go to our Policy on “unfair advantage” Programs.



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Of course, the original email is BS however, these things always turn out to be.

Lori

[stupidsucker]

heh I went to the website linked above...

They actualy have a fake party look-a-like website...

That is no better then party looking at anything on my computer as far as am concerned.

Its like an election... what evil to vote for????

[Bill Poker]

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I am not very computer savvy, but it is my understanding that everything listed IS possible...Not saying probable..

Can anyone confirm?

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totally, it can even reformat your hard drive without your permission.

[brimstone1]

Am I the only one who feels OK about this?

They can scan running programs and take screen shots. I'm ok with it, as long as they catch and do something about bots (if they exist, that is).

[Freudian]

I think it is a necessary evil with WinHoldEm, PokerProphecy and PokerEdge only being the first wave of attack. The integrity of the game is of such importance that I don't mind Party scanning what processes I have running.

It is a far cry from 'hacking' my computer.

[taylor]

"Party Poker had no controls over the employees that were conducting these searches. None of the employees were screened for security jobs, they had no special clearances or background checks. Most made less in a day than the average American makes in an hour.

A large number of my fellow employees joked about things they found on Party Poker clients' computers. Things such as letters to loved ones, pornography, and other personal information. It became a big joke to see who could find the next funny thing. Even worse, there were whispers of personal financial information found on harddrives of people's computers. What was done with this information, I cannot say, as I quit at this time because of this behavior.

Party Poker itself is not trying to steal your information, however, they have little to no control over the people they hire and give complete access to your personal information."

So the above isn't true or it is true but you think it's nothing to worry about?

[adanthar]

It may be true, in the sense that if some guy had porn, a financial spreadsheet or his password text file open at the same time as Party and Party took a screenshot, they'd get his information. It's not true in the sense that Party can scan your hard drive for files and upload it to themselves, because they don't/almost certainly can't.

Of course, if you have a poker site fetish and have to have a porno on the screen while you play, you may be getting laughed at in India right now.

[microbet]

I'm a web programmer, not a desktop, so I don't KNOW FOR SURE, but they installed software on your computer and are communicating back and forth. They can do pretty much anything on your computer. When you install party they practically dust your registry for fingerprints. You may not store sensitive info on your computer, but they could install something that records every keystroke and sends it to them. From that, they would get any paypal, neteller, online banking stuff. Of course, you, someone, could and would detect them doing this.

[YourFoxyGrandma]

And then all the ads for other poker sites at the bottom. I love it!

[bones]

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Of course, if you have a poker site fetish and have to have a porno on the screen while you play, you may be getting laughed at in India right now.

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What self-respecting multi-tabler doesn't keep porn on in the background?

[duke44]

www.partypokerhacksyou.com (http://www.partypokerhacksyou.com) is our site, it's far from a death cry, just a secondary income source.

The difference between Party and every other sites is that on Party you are guilty until proven innocent. Meaning they will check everyone for everything randomly. On other sites, you are innocent until proven guilty. They won't scan your computer unless they have a complaint/reason.

PokerProphecy is still very much in business and not going anywhere. Soon we'll be combining Party Poker with our other sites and offer them all for $20.00 a month. Existing customers will be grandfathered in. That way if someone feels uncomfortable at Party they can still use the program at any of our other sites (using our signup links if they like) or cancel and quit paying monthly. We may switch Party over to an e-mail service, where you e-mail the table number in the subject line, we automatically process it, and within 60 seconds you get a return e-mail with stats, a graphical table representation, etc, so our customers can print it.

[adanthar]

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Of course, you, someone, could and would detect them doing this.

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Right, so I'm assuming their software can't/doesn't do this because we'd know about that by now. However, if you store your passwords in a text file and have it open while logged onto Party, you may be in trouble.

[bones]

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We may switch Party over to an e-mail service, where you e-mail the table number in the subject line, we automatically process it, and within 60 seconds you get a return e-mail

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Very practical for 8 tablers.

[flyingmoose]

OH [censored]! So Party knows about all the porn I look at while I play? [censored], I hope they don't tell my girlfriend...

[Freudian]

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Of course, you, someone, could and would detect them doing this.

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Right, so I'm assuming their software can't/doesn't do this because we'd know about that by now. However, if you store your passwords in a text file and have it open while logged onto Party, you may be in trouble.

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I think anyone with that little sense of security will be exposing himself to other dangers anyway (ie, no firewall, no antivirus, blindly opening files sent by email etc).

And I would expect people looking at screengrabs is the exception, not the norm. I would suspect automatic scanning of processes make up for 99% of Partys anti-cheating strategy.

[se2schul]

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www.partypokerhacksyou.com (http://www.partypokerhacksyou.com) is our site, it's far from a death cry, just a secondary income source.

The difference between Party and every other sites is that on Party you are guilty until proven innocent. Meaning they will check everyone for everything randomly. On other sites, you are innocent until proven guilty. They won't scan your computer unless they have a complaint/reason.

PokerProphecy is still very much in business and not going anywhere. Soon we'll be combining Party Poker with our other sites and offer them all for $20.00 a month. Existing customers will be grandfathered in. That way if someone feels uncomfortable at Party they can still use the program at any of our other sites (using our signup links if they like) or cancel and quit paying monthly. We may switch Party over to an e-mail service, where you e-mail the table number in the subject line, we automatically process it, and within 60 seconds you get a return e-mail with stats, a graphical table representation, etc, so our customers can print it.

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This is the stupidest [censored] ever. Did you read their Terms and Conditions? If you don't like their T&C, then you don't have to play at their site.

You're acting as though Party hides the fact that they do this, when in fact they're not only upfront about it, but they state it in a document that every user is supposed to read before installing the software.

This has nothing with being guilty until proven innocent. It is a method to prevent people from cheating. No one's "guilty until proven innocent"...

What silliness.

[citanul]

se,

you miss the point.

duke may or may not play poker there, he doesn't care about recommendations like that. he (helps) run poker prophecy. his business is entirely about breaking the T&C of party and any other site that might make his customer base stop shelling out money for an entirely worthless fraudulent service.

citanul

[se2schul]

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you miss the point.


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Oh, I get the point. I fully understand his motives. His lack of logic just astounds me and I was a little worried that people might actually think his diatribe has merit.

"Guilty until proven innocent"... I guess the airports mistreat everyone because they unjustly force people to walk through metal detectors.