SNG level equivalent to 3-6 limit?

I did a search and didn't really come up with much definitive....

Basically, I'm getting bored with playing limit. I'd like to break the routine and play SNG's for a while. The question is, what level of SNG's is comparable to playing 3/6 6-max limit? I make about 3BB/100 at limit. So, call it about $25 and hour.

If I have 30% ROI on a SNG (something I saw from a FAQ here), and each takes an hour, .3 * X = 25 ~= $80 SNGs! Seems like a tremendously large SNG, way past my comfort zone.

So, do people play 2 smaller SNGs at the same time typically? I usually play two 3/6 tables, so that'd be in my comfort zone as far as multi-tabling.

[Hornacek]

if you can, try 4-tabling $33 sng... that seems to be a good fit for you.

just play very tight early game, hope the donks knock each other out, and try to pick up chips with your strong hands against these donks.

[EnderFFX]

Start at the $10's and move your way up.

[jdl22]

I would say play two 33s, seems about right. Probably your ev will be a bit lower, especially since you aren't a sng player but starting there should work. Play a couple if you think the play is over your head move down and if you're comfortable move up but I would guess $30+3 is where you should be.

[wiggs73]

NL SNGs and limit ring games are so vastly different that I don't think you can make a meaningful comparison between the two. The fact that you are a winning limit player is good, but there are so many strategical adjustments that you're going to have to make, that you could easily be a break-even or losing player at SNGs, at least early on. I'd start at the 10s and play those until I got a feel for the strategy. After that, feel free to move up as you and your bankroll see fit. There isn't a huge difference between the 11s and the 33s although there are better players at each level. The difference in skill levels between each of the higher levels is pretty large between each level.

[bluef0x]

I don't know how people are making comparisons and suggesting starting at 33s... but SnGs are different compared to limit. I say start at the 10s and work your way up... try to 4 table them- it's not hard at all and you can make close to $25/hr doing it.

[raptor517]

you wont be anywhere near a 30% roi at the 33s. the big buyin drop for the 55s would be around 50 buyins, so about 2750.. the 33s you may do 40 buyins as a big amount, so 1320ish. as you can see.. the equivalent level is somewhere in between, probably closer to the 33s. now.. the best sngers at the 33 level probably get MAYBE 16%, but thats with mad multitables.

with sngs, you can play more tables than in limit ring, as the decisions are much more basic. to beat them you can basically fold everything early and shove half your hands late. i dont recommend starting at the 33 level though. start at the 10s and work your way up until you feel comfortable. come over to the stt forum and post up some questions and well be glad to help you out.

as far as multitabling goes.. i used to 12 table anywhere from the 55s to the 109s, and 8 table the 215s. now, im trying to learn limit and im playing 8 tables of 3-6. obviously i am rolled for a bigger game, but you have to kn ow you can beat the game first. start out at those 10s. as you move up you will be more comfortable, and will even be able to add tables. hope to see ya round. holla

edit.. yea i thought this was in the small stakes forum.. ignore whatever i said that makes it seem as though its not in the sttf. bleh, too early.. class soon.. holla

[raptor517]

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I don't know how people are making comparisons and suggesting starting at 33s... but SnGs are different compared to limit. I say start at the 10s and work your way up... try to 4 table them- it's not hard at all and you can make close to $25/hr doing it.

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its actually not going to be around 25 an hour. to do that, your roi needs to be greater than 40%. not too likely even at the 10s. holla

[Wes ManTooth]

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if you can, try 4-tabling $33 sng... that seems to be a good fit for you.


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no, definately don't start like this.

[bluef0x]

Sorry... I have mix stats of 11s and 22s. Just a question- SnG tracker says I make $7/hour, but it doesn't include the fact that I 4-table + rakeback right?

Shouldn't take him too long to get up to 22s and make $25 an hour then :P

12 tables at once? wow. that's impressive.

[pooh74]

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12 tables at once? wow. that's impressive.

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Thats only when he's playing xbox and talking to some HS girl on the phone.

[fisherman112]

there is no sng equivilent since nl is a completely different game. i say start in the 20s where not knowing too much about anything other than hand selection makes you a winning player. if you're beating those move up as bankroll allows. dont start at the 50s or higher. sngs are a different breed of poker and since there's limited literature on them, it takes some experience to get the nuance.

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there is no sng equivilent since nl is a completely different game. i say start in the 20s where not knowing too much about anything other than hand selection makes you a winning player. if you're beating those move up as bankroll allows. dont start at the 50s or higher. sngs are a different breed of poker and since there's limited literature on them, it takes some experience to get the nuance.

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Thank god there is limited literature on sngs hahaha.

[pooh74]

I wouldnt even start at the 20s. If I went to limit, I'd play .50/1.00 cas I would be lost for awhile..."how the fck do i get these draws out!?"

[fisherman112]

the problem with starting at the 5+1s is that you wont take them seriously because it's six dollars.and it wont really teach you how to play well since no one folds anything.

[Xhad]

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the problem with starting at the 5+1s is that you wont take them seriously because it's six dollars

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Not everyone thinks this way. I play live games of 4-8 and 5-10, and tournaments with buyins up to $50, yet online I will play .5/1 and 10/1 tournaments and still treat them like a life-or-death matter.

Of course, the 5/1 rake still sucks and if you're a competent player with a 3/6 bankroll you may actually prefer to start at 10/1's anyway just because the players are still awful and the rake is 10% instead of 17%.

[Hornacek]

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Of course, the 5/1 rake still sucks and if you're a competent player with a 3/6 bankroll you may actually prefer to start at 10/1's anyway just because the players are still awful and the rake is 10% instead of 17%.

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How does your crazy gorilla math make the $5+1 rake 17% and not 20%?

Its 17% if you do 1/6, but then the rake for the $10+1s would be 9%.

[beetyjoose]

Just out of curiosity, it seems like a lot of people are inferring that the original poster wanted to play NL SNGs. Perhaps he wants to play limit SNGs.

[Hornacek]

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Just out of curiosity, it seems like a lot of people are inferring that the original poster wanted to play NL SNGs. Perhaps he wants to play limit SNGs.

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What are limit SNGs? Are these new?

[Xhad]

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How does your crazy gorilla math make the $5+1 rake 17% and not 20%

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"crazy gorilla math" = I hit the wrong key on my calculator. Excuse the hell out of me.

[TheNoodleMan]

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SNGs. Perhaps he wants to play limit SNGs.

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wow, all the boredom of limit with a lower hourly rate! I sure hope thats not what he is after.

[ZeroPointMachine]

Start with the 10+1's. When you can 4-table those at 25-30% ROI(for at least 500 games) move up to the 20's. 25% ROI at the 20's is $22 per 4 table set(less than an hour). I don't think this level of ROI can be maintained at the 33's and the lower ROI combined with the higher buy-in leads to much greater swings.

[Hornacek]

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How does your crazy gorilla math make the $5+1 rake 17% and not 20%

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"crazy gorilla math" = I hit the wrong key on my calculator. Excuse the hell out of me.

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lol if you're using a calculator to compute 1/5, then I'm sorry for you. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[bawcerelli]

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lol if you're using a calculator to compute 1/5, then I'm sorry for you. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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yeah i hope he was joking

[pooh74]

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How does your crazy gorilla math make the $5+1 rake 17% and not 20%

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"crazy gorilla math" = I hit the wrong key on my calculator. Excuse the hell out of me.

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lol..you used a calculator for that one?

Edit: i'm such a snob...sorry

Thanks folks, all the input is appreciated. I think I'll start at the 20+2's, 2-tabling, and work from there. I don't intend to do SNG all the time. I've had a slip at 3/6 limit and I think part of it is boredom. I'd been wanting to improve my tourney skills anyway, so this is a good opportunity.

[AliasMrJones]

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the problem with starting at the 5+1s is that you wont take them seriously because it's six dollars.and it wont really teach you how to play well since no one folds anything.

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Why does the fact that people tend to play too loose and take their hands too far mean you can't learn how to play?