River: TO bet or not to bet, that is the question [Archive]

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Roland32

08-24-2005, 11:56 AM

Have not been having this problem lately but this just popped up. I was realy worried about two pair and being raised all in and not being able to fold.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t100, 1 fold, MP2 calls t100, 4 folds, BB calls t80.

Flop: (t310) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t120, MP2 folds, BB calls t120.

Turn: (t550) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t300, BB calls t300.

River: (t1150) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t1150

Roland32

08-24-2005, 02:48 PM

I am assuming by the lack of answers that my check here was good?

barry111

08-24-2005, 04:14 PM

I think at the $15 level you’re ahead here a lot of the time and I would not be afraid of a check-raise on the river. So I would put in a T300 value bet and if the villain pushed I think I could let it go.

schwza

08-24-2005, 05:05 PM

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I think at the $15 level you’re ahead here a lot of the time and I would not be afraid of a check-raise on the river. So I would put in a T300 value bet and if the villain pushed I think I could let it go.

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agreed

Xenod

08-24-2005, 05:34 PM

I don't see anything wrong with checking it down here. I don't think you get called often enough by worse hands to make this profitable. It seems like you have about 1000 chips left on the river. If you check and lose, you have a decent stack left. If you DID bet on the river, what would you bet, 500? You don't want to bet less than what you did on the Turn. If he pushes back, do you really want to fold and have 500 left?

Freudian

08-24-2005, 05:55 PM

I think a valuebet is the best play here. I can't really see any hand I would put him on that has you beat, with the possible exception of a superpassive AK. I think you will be paid off by weaker aces, TT/JJ quite often.

HANKMUCK

08-24-2005, 06:01 PM

At this level i'm thinking, a value bet is a must here on river 200 or 250 or so, you will be called by by a lesser hand most of the time, and if he comes back over top im still calling, at 15 dollar level.

bigt439

08-24-2005, 06:06 PM

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I don't see anything wrong with checking it down here. I don't think you get called often enough by worse hands to make this profitable. It seems like you have about 1000 chips left on the river. If you check and lose, you have a decent stack left. If you DID bet on the river, what would you bet, 500? You don't want to bet less than what you did on the Turn. If he pushes back, do you really want to fold and have 500 left?

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The way villain played this hand it is extremely likely you will get called by a worse A, and that this is in fact what he has. A river check raise would be pretty scary, but I think happens virtually never on this board. What would he do that with? A8? He probably would've tried to bet this at some point with a better hand. Still it can happen and I don't think he's calling your pot allin. I bet around 350-400 and probably fold to the rare c/r all-in. There is no rule that you can not bet less than you did on the turn. I don't think a 200-250 value bet would be a bad play. I think it's much better than checking.