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Unarmed

08-24-2005, 09:47 AM

Villain hasn't gotten out of line.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1010)
Hero (t1385)
SB (t1240)
BB (t1935)
UTG (t825)
UTG+1 (t1180)
MP1 (t1415)
MP2 (t1010)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t500, What the...

tigerite

08-24-2005, 09:50 AM

This smells like a mid pair frightened of seeing a flop to me, or just perhaps AK, but the times you'll be shown the mid pair make up for that. Shove.

bennies

08-24-2005, 09:52 AM

look at it this way, when would you feel dumber?

a) when you fold and he shows J3o

b) when you call/push and he has aces

tigerite

08-24-2005, 09:56 AM

I don't think he has AA here. How has he got the +180 chips? Was it with a mid pair and if so how did he play it? If not, what was it with. Key points but even then I can't believe this is AA or KK. Why would he play it like this? Unless it's the old reverse psychology, but even then he's relying on someone picking up a relative monster for it to work - and that just doesn't happen often enough.

ilya

08-24-2005, 09:58 AM

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Villain hasn't gotten out of line.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1010)
Hero (t1385)
SB (t1240)
BB (t1935)
UTG (t825)
UTG+1 (t1180)
MP1 (t1415)
MP2 (t1010)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t500, What the...

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What a strange raise. You say Villain hasn't gotten out of line....what about the players behind him, especially the blinds? Have they been really loose preflop? I'm just trying to get a sort of roundabout read here.

bennies

08-24-2005, 10:10 AM

At the 22s it might not be a horrible play with AA, I assume some will call this with AQ+ or TT+.

Unarmed

08-24-2005, 12:41 PM

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This smells like a mid pair frightened of seeing a flop to me, or just perhaps AK, but the times you'll be shown the mid pair make up for that. Shove.

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Really? I think 275 smells like a mid pair. 500 is just bizarre. I can't remember ever seeing someone open raise 10BB on level 3 for 40% of their stack. If someone wanted to fold QQ here, I really don't think I would argue with them. I certainly couldn't though /images/graemlins/grin.gif and was promptly shown KK. Anyway, this situation doesn't come up often enough to change one's results one way or the other.

The Yugoslavian

08-24-2005, 01:02 PM

[ QUOTE ]
look at it this way, when would you feel dumber?

a) when you fold and he shows J3o

b) when you call/push and he has aces

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How is this helpful?!?!?!? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Yugoslav

08-24-2005, 01:09 PM

Why would someone push half their chips mid-pair with only t75 in blinds to steal hoping not to get called?

There was only one explanation: AA or KK hoping to get called by AK or QQ (or some loose nut). It's a play that we discuss often making at the lower levels because of the chance of a loose nut calling you (pretty good).

I can't see any reason to call in this situation unless you have a read on the Villian. Just chuckle to yourself, hit the fold button, and move on. What did he get away with if you do and he had a crazy hand? t75? Whoopie!

08-24-2005, 01:15 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1315)
SB (t2665)
BB (t1725)
Hero (t580)
MP (t1715)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to t580 (All-In), MP raises to t1715 (All-In), 3 folds.

Flop: (t2445) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2445) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2445) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2445

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qh (two pair, queens and tens).
MP has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: MP wins t2445.

durron597

08-24-2005, 01:18 PM

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Hero has Qs Qh (two pair, queens and tens).
MP has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: MP wins t2445.

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This is completely different, totally standard, and results oriented.

08-24-2005, 01:18 PM

Haha, be less helpful. But I think this situation definitely comes up enough, especially at the lower buy ins.

jon462

08-24-2005, 01:39 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1315)
SB (t2665)
BB (t1725)
Hero (t580)
MP (t1715)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to t580 (All-In), MP raises to t1715 (All-In), 3 folds.

Flop: (t2445) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2445) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2445) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2445

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qh (two pair, queens and tens).
MP has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: MP wins t2445. 

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thats pretty standard. You have no choice but to go broke there. OP certainly has a choice, although I dont think I could avoid it either.

08-24-2005, 01:43 PM

Thanks. Just checking. Didn't want to start a new thread.

bennies

08-24-2005, 01:48 PM

In my whacked mind (after writing too many posts today) it suddenly came up that it is good to feel less dumb. And I would feel more dumb if I called and lost than if I folded and missed doubling up.

not very helpful, I agree....

The Yugoslavian

08-24-2005, 01:51 PM

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In my whacked mind (after writing too many posts today) it suddenly came up that it is good to feel less dumb. And I would feel more dumb if I called and lost than if I folded and missed doubling up.

not very helpful, I agree....

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Just feel smart all the time.

It's the new black.

/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Yugoslav

bennies

08-24-2005, 01:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]

Just feel smart all the time.

It's the new black.

/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Yugoslav

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I'm european.

Black here is being depressed or intelligent. Never smart.

The Yugoslavian

08-24-2005, 02:00 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Just feel smart all the time.

It's the new black.

/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Yugoslav

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I'm european.

Black here is being depressed or intelligent. Never smart.

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New gay?

Meh...now I'm just trying too hard.

Yugoslav