Call down with wounded dog?

[jon_1van]

7 Card Stud High ($3/$6), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $1 (hand converter (http://www.geocities.com/greenage22/7StudConverter.hta.txt))

3rd Street - (0.83 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls
Hero: 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls
Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___brings-in
Seat 6: xx xx 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls

4th Street - (2.50 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K/images/graemlins/spade.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif___checks___folds
Hero: 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls

5th Street - (2.75 BB)

Hero: 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif___ <font color="blue"> WHAT SHOULD I DO HERE </font>
Seat 3: xx xx J/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds

Total pot: 2.75 BB


Hopefully this isn't as painfully obvious as it might be (great sentance, I know)

[bigredlemon]

Shouldn't it be a fold? I can't find any reason to call there.

[Bartholow]

I'd fold. If your Q and backdoor flush were completely live I MIGHT call, hoping he has just jacks, but there are so many ways his hand could improve or could have already improved that leave you drawing real slim.

[grb137]

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Hopefully this isn't as painfully obvious as it might be (great sentance, I know)

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Unfortunately, it is. A pair of threes? I know you know better.

[jon_1van]

Actually if you put the villan on a loan pair...It's very close.

I did fold btw

[bigredlemon]

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Actually if you put the villan on a loan pair...It's very close.

I did fold btw

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This is the best you can hope for
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1173067
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 7d 3d qd 3s 5s - jh jc 8h qh kd / ks 8c 9d 2d 9s 7c
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3s Qd 7d 3d 166509 33.30 333490 66.70 1 0.00 0.333
(Jc 8h)Kd Qh Jh 333490 66.70 166509 33.30 1 0.00 0.667


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1173079
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 7d 3d qd 3s 5s - qc 2h jc qh kd / ks 8c 9d 2d 9s 7c
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3s Qd 7d 3d 168209 33.64 331788 66.36 3 0.00 0.336
(Qc 2h)Jc Kd Qh 331788 66.36 168209 33.64 3 0.00 0.664


And if he has more than a loan pair...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1173082
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 7d 3d qd 3s 5s - qc kh jc qh kd / ks 8c 9d 2d 9s 7c
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3s Qd 7d 3d 78404 15.68 421596 84.32 0 0.00 0.157
Qc Jc Kd Kh Qh 421596 84.32 78404 15.68 0 0.00 0.843

[Jeffage]

Folding fifth is simple...his broadway cards are live, his pair cards are somewhat live and if your fantasy of him having one pair is true, he is likely open ended or gutting with it so he has a redraw. Your runner runner flush chances arent worth much...just get the hell out if you like money.

Jeff

[Andy B]

I think this is a pretty easy fold. You have a lousy pair of Treys, a couple of diamonds are out, and the pot is small. Even if you turn your Queen into an Ace, I think it's pretty dubious.

And guys, it's "lone" pair. I don't even know what a "loan pair" would be.

[SittingBull]

so he can have TWO PAIRS. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gifA DRY pair is one pair that is not to be loan to another player.
SittingBull

[Roland]

That definition was even funnier than Jon’s subject.

[jon_1van]

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Actually if you put the villan on a loan pair...It's very close.

I did fold btw

[/ QUOTE ]
This is the best you can hope for
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1173067
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 7d 3d qd 3s 5s - jh jc 8h qh kd / ks 8c 9d 2d 9s 7c
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3s Qd 7d 3d 166509 33.30 333490 66.70 1 0.00 0.333
(Jc 8h)Kd Qh Jh 333490 66.70 166509 33.30 1 0.00 0.667


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1173079
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 7d 3d qd 3s 5s - qc 2h jc qh kd / ks 8c 9d 2d 9s 7c
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3s Qd 7d 3d 168209 33.64 331788 66.36 3 0.00 0.336
(Qc 2h)Jc Kd Qh 331788 66.36 168209 33.64 3 0.00 0.664


And if he has more than a loan pair...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1173082
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 7d 3d qd 3s 5s - qc kh jc qh kd / ks 8c 9d 2d 9s 7c
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3s Qd 7d 3d 78404 15.68 421596 84.32 0 0.00 0.157
Qc Jc Kd Kh Qh 421596 84.32 78404 15.68 0 0.00 0.843

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I'm Risking 18 to make 36 (effective odds)..this assumes I always pay off on the river even when I don't get a 2 pair.

So for the Js and Qs example you can eek out a small profit

Too bad you are getting you ass handed to you when he has the Ks

[BeerMoney]

Jon, this is an interesting post.. That is, when is it correct to chase when there were others contributing $$ to a pot that drop off the hand on 5th street. I think if the pot was raised on 3rd, it would be a closer decision.