Quick stupid pf

[BottlesOf]

Unknown mp limps, you have QTo in the CO (button is a lil loose, sb is very loose, bb is avg.)

Your play?

[imported_stealthcow]

i see good cases for raising or limping, but i want to be in this hand.

i raise usually. but i think a lot of it depends on how your opponents play postflop. if they give up a lot on flops, then you want to take control and hope to win the hand on flops you miss. otherwise, i just limp and hope to hit big because you've got a good payoff.

stealthcow-

[sweetjazz]

I usually limp here. Unless my opponents have reasonable to low W2SD numbers, I want to fold a lot of flops here, and on most flops I am happy to be bet into (so I can either raise or fold).

Some of the time I will raise here, as I think it is close. If I have been card dead for a while, I will sometimes raise in case I have increased my fold equity a bit. Conversely, if there have been a lot of raises preflop at this table, I will be more inclined to call, to encourage people to limp in more often with weak/marginal hands.

Overall, I think the main question is, will I be able to take the pot if I raise PF, the flop comes A high or K high and nobody has made top pair or a strong draw (or trips/two pair)? If the answer is yes, then raising is clearly best. If the answer is no (which is true in most online games), then calling becomes plausible and somewhat attractive.

[nervous]

This is standard raise for me but since the flop will likely be 4 handed at least I don't see much point in raising QT.

[NLSoldier]

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Unknown mp limps, you have QTo in the CO (button is a lil loose, sb is very loose, bb is avg.)

Your play?

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I'm raising.

[numb3rs]

Isn't this a clear raise or fold. Limping here seems awful.

[bank]

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Isn't this a clear raise or fold. Limping here seems awful.

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Not necessarily. Depends how your opponents react postflop. For example, if they all have WTSD > 50 you might want to limp since you won't push them off a better hand postflop (they will call down with K or even A high the whole way). Taking control of the hand isn't as valuable as limping in this situation. Am I making sense at all?

[imported_stealthcow]

you dont think oyu can play this at least marginally profitably limping here? esp if sb is coming in with a lot of hands.

[numb3rs]

Can you elaborate on how that would affect your pf decision here?

[numb3rs]

If I'm going to play this marginal hand here, I'd rather bump it than limp behind.

Edit: I guess given the very loose sb, a raise may not be as valuable in this spot as more players may jump in.

[bank]

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If I'm going to play this marginal hand here, I'd rather bump it than limp behind.

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Why.

[numb3rs]

It's easier to win a pot vs fewer opponents.

[bank]

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It's easier to win a pot vs fewer opponents.

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Depends on what type of opponents. Read my first post on this thread again. It might be optimal to invest 1SB preflop rather than 2SB preflop (and take control) if you are raising into a bunch of LPs who go to showdown 60% of the time. If that is the case these opponents are showing down their K or A high so what's the point of raising preflop?

[DMBFan23]

ah, the classic "raise 72o UTG" argument

[numb3rs]

Yeah, that's true. That makes sense.

[bugstud]

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It's easier to win a pot vs fewer opponents.

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Depends on what type of opponents. Read my first post on this thread again. It might be optimal to invest 1SB preflop rather than 2SB preflop (and take control) if you are raising into a bunch of LPs who go to showdown 60% of the time. If that is the case these opponents are showing down their K or A high so what's the point of raising preflop?

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because they play horrible?