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Silverback
08-23-2005, 06:22 PM
Please answer some or all

Your in BB
1)1 limper lowest PP you raise?
2)2 limpers lowest PP you raise?
3)1 limper lowest AX you raise?
4)2 limpers lowest AX you raise?
5)1 limper lowest Axs you raise?
6)2 limpers lowest Axs you raise?
7)1 limper lowest Kxs you raise?
8)2 limpers lowest Kx you raise?
9)2 limpers lowest suited connector you raise?
10) 2 limpers lowest suited one gap you raise?

9)UTG a TAG 23/15 raises, everyone folds to you in BB
a)lowest PP call?
b)lowest Axs call?
c)lowest Ax call?
d)lowest Kxs call?
e)lowest suited connector call?
f)lowest suited one gap call?

10)UTG or MP limps, CO raises, folded to you in BB
a)lowest Kxs you call?
b)lowest Qxs you call?
c)lowest suited connector you call?
d)lowest suited one gap you call?

11)CO or Button raises, they att to steal blinds at least 30%, SB folds.
a)lowest AX you call / reraise?
b)lowest Kx you call / reraise?
c)lowest Qx you call / reraise?
d)lowest Jx you call / reraise?
e)lowest PP you call / reraise?
f)lowest suited connector you call/ reraise?
g)lowest suited one gap you call / reraise?

Anders_G
08-23-2005, 08:46 PM
Your in BB
1)1 limper lowest PP you raise? 22*
2)2 limpers lowest PP you raise? ~77
3)1 limper lowest AX you raise? A2*
4)2 limpers lowest AX you raise? ~A7*
5)1 limper lowest Axs you raise? A2
6)2 limpers lowest Axs you raise? A7
7)1 limper lowest Kxs you raise? ~K6s*
8)2 limpers lowest Kx you raise? K9s
9)2 limpers lowest suited connector you raise? 9Ts
10) 2 limpers lowest suited one gap you raise? QTs

9)UTG a TAG 23/15 raises, everyone folds to you in BB
a)lowest PP call? 66
b)lowest Axs call? A9s
c)lowest Ax call? A9
d)lowest Kxs call? K9s
e)lowest suited connector call? 78s
f)lowest suited one gap call? T8s

10)UTG or MP limps, CO raises, folded to you in BB
a)lowest Kxs you call? K7s
b)lowest Qxs you call? Q9s
c)lowest suited connector you call? ~45s
d)lowest suited one gap you call? T8s

11)CO or Button raises, they att to steal blinds at least 30%, SB folds.
a)lowest AX you call / reraise? A2
b)lowest Kx you call / reraise? K7
c)lowest Qx you call / reraise? Q9
d)lowest Jx you call / reraise? J9
e)lowest PP you call / reraise? 22
f)lowest suited connector you call/ reraise? ~56s
g)lowest suited one gap you call / reraise? 97s

*depending on reads/position on villain

imported_leader
08-23-2005, 10:04 PM
Your in BB
1)1 limper lowest PP you raise? - 77
2)2 limpers lowest PP you raise? - 88
3)1 limper lowest AX you raise? - A8o - depends on the position of the limper
4)2 limpers lowest AX you raise? - AJ always, AT sometimes
5)1 limper lowest Axs you raise? - A7s
6)2 limpers lowest Axs you raise? - ATs
7)1 limper lowest Kxs you raise? KJs always, KTs rarely
8)2 limpers lowest Kx you raise? - KQ
9)2 limpers lowest suited connector you raise? - QJs rarely
10) 2 limpers lowest suited one gap you raise? - Kjs

9)UTG a TAG 23/15 raises, everyone folds to you in BB
a)lowest PP call? any
b)lowest Axs call? - any
c)lowest Ax call? - A9
d)lowest Kxs call? - K9
e)lowest suited connector call? T9s
f)lowest suited one gap call? J9s

10)UTG or MP limps, CO raises, folded to you in BB
a)lowest Kxs you call? - all
b)lowest Qxs you call? - ~Q7s
c)lowest suited connector you call? - 76s
d)lowest suited one gap you call? - 97s

11)CO or Button raises, they att to steal blinds at least 30%, SB folds.
a)lowest AX you call / reraise? - RR: A9 Call: A7
b)lowest Kx you call / reraise? - RR: KJ Call: K9
c)lowest Qx you call / reraise? - Call: QT
d)lowest Jx you call / reraise? - Call: JT
e)lowest PP you call / reraise? - RR: ~77+ Call the rest
f)lowest suited connector you call/ reraise? RR: QJs somtimes Call: 98s
g)lowest suited one gap you call / reraise? Raise: KJs Call J9s

Obviously a lot of these are player dependent.

Silverback
08-24-2005, 05:47 AM
Thanks for answering.

I think BB play is one of the most important as aspects of 6 max poker as you move up the limits.

Ive been playing $1/$2 and $2/$4 and my BB play has been generally tight, however in these games more of the raises Ive been facing are legitmate raises, and players limp first in in CO or button in these games much more often.

Now Ive moved up to $3/$6 Im facing many more blind steals and much raised pots in general.

As a TAG, currently bout 22/15 player Im going to be facing alot more blind steals just because my table image is tight.

Compare this to a LAG, 40/20, or LAG/TAG 30/20, these players are less likely to face so many blind steals because they either call more often in the BB, or actually playback and take the intiative by reraising.

Some more answers to the above questions and some more discussion on the answers I think could very well improve all our games.

Kimpan
08-24-2005, 07:22 AM
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Some more answers to the above questions and some more discussion on the answers I think could very well improve all our games.

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ThePenguin
08-24-2005, 08:33 AM
I hate being retarded, but can we break this up into smaller pieces of data to compute? What I mean is, focus on just one set of questions and a few of their answers?

1)Depends where he limped and his style. generally the lowest I raise are 44 but if the guy is really passive then 33 and 22 will do to.
2)Usually 66
3)Again read dependent, usually A7 or A8
4)A9
5)A7
6)A8
7)K9
8)K10 against passives, KJ against most
9)I dont unless it's KQ
10)KJ

Silverback
08-25-2005, 05:04 AM
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stigmata
08-25-2005, 06:16 AM
I have to state that blind play is not my strong point. I’m not sure what is my strong point at the moment, but you don’t want to hear about my horrendous downswing......

Anyway.

It would appear that I am looser and less aggressive than others in the BB. I find that playing inflated pots OOP is pretty difficult and I therefore try not to create the situation. If you reraise in the BB with a marginal hand, people are much more likely to stay in with weak draws, or even make a move at the pot.

Instead, I prefer to flat call with a wide range and then make my move on the flop (e.g. check-raise). Generally speaking, I think you can get a more honest assessment of your opponents hand this way.

On the other hand, there is the other school of thought (taken by many players who are much better than myself), that re-raising preflop and putting pressure on your opponent to fold is the way to go. However, I think this requires better postflop play and hence I take the easier path.

Most of the answers below depend on my opponents, image, mood etc.


Your in BB
1)1 limper lowest PP you raise?

It depends but limpers are often calling stations, so I don’t like raising the low PP unless opposition is know to be tight postflop or easy to read. The problem with raising the low PP is that overcards inevitably come, you bet and get called, and then are OOP for the rest of the hand with no idea how to play it. Usually 77 is the lowest I go.

2)2 limpers lowest PP you raise?
88 – same problem as before but overcards are twice as likely to kill you.

3)1 limper lowest AX you raise?
Depends on my mood /images/graemlins/wink.gif A8 perhaps

4)2 limpers lowest AX you raise?
A9o, AT perhaps

5)1 limper lowest Axs you raise?
Depends, A7s

6)2 limpers lowest Axs you raise?
A8s

7)1 limper lowest Kxs you raise?
KJs always, sometimes KTs

8)2 limpers lowest Kx you raise?
KJo

9)2 limpers lowest suited connector you raise?
JTs sometimes -- it’s one of the few hands that I find easy to play OOP in an inflated pot, so I really don’t mind raising here and hoping to hit a strong draw and tie others in to the pot etc.

10) 2 limpers lowest suited one gap you raise?
KJs



9)UTG a TAG 23/15 raises, everyone folds to you in BB
a)lowest PP call?
22 -- I think with the ability to make a move on a rag flop + flopping a set, we just about have odds.


b)lowest Axs call?
Any.

c)lowest Ax call?
A9o – more fear of domination here, we have nothing to back the hand up.

d)lowest Kxs call?
K9s

e)lowest suited connector call?
56s
Decent amount of semi-bluffing equity when rags flop. However, I think I could be calling too low with suited connectors, so convince me if this is –EV.

f)lowest suited one gap call?
T8s



10)UTG or MP limps, CO raises, folded to you in BB
a)lowest Kxs you call?
K7s

b)lowest Qxs you call?
Q9s

c)lowest suited connector you call?
45s

d)lowest suited one gap you call?
79s

11)CO or Button raises, they att to steal blinds at least 30%, SB folds.
a)lowest AX you call / reraise?
Call any, reraise A8o, A7s

b)lowest Kx you call / reraise?
Call K8o, K7s, reraise KJo, KTs

c)lowest Qx you call / reraise?
QTo, Q8s, reraise none

d)lowest Jx you call / reraise?
J9o, J8s, reraise none

e)lowest PP you call / reraise?
Call any, reraise 88 up. I find the lower PP easier to play if I just check-raise a “safe” flop, and take it from there.
f)lowest suited connector you call/ reraise?
Reraise QJs, call 56s

g)lowest suited one gap you call / reraise?
Reraise KJs, call 86s

krishanleong
08-25-2005, 04:02 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Please answer some or all

Your in BB
1)1 limper lowest PP you raise?<font color="green"> 88 </font>
2)2 limpers lowest PP you raise?<font color="green"> 99 </font>
3)1 limper lowest AX you raise?<font color="green"> a9 </font>
4)2 limpers lowest AX you raise?<font color="green"> at </font>
5)1 limper lowest Axs you raise?<font color="green"> a8 </font>
6)2 limpers lowest Axs you raise?<font color="green"> at </font>
7)1 limper lowest Kxs you raise?<font color="green"> k9 </font>
8)2 limpers lowest Kx you raise?<font color="green"> kt </font>
9)2 limpers lowest suited connector you raise?<font color="green"> none</font>
10) 2 limpers lowest suited one gap you raise?<font color="green"> none</font>

9)UTG a TAG 23/15 raises, everyone folds to you in BB
a)lowest PP call?<font color="green"> any, but don't always call </font>
b)lowest Axs call?<font color="green"> aj </font>
c)lowest Ax call?<font color="green"> aj </font>
d)lowest Kxs call?<font color="green"> kq </font>

10)UTG or MP limps, CO raises, folded to you in BB
a)lowest Kxs you call?<font color="green"> any </font>
b)lowest Qxs you call?<font color="green"> any 40% of time </font>
c)lowest suited connector you call?<font color="green"> 54 </font>
d)lowest suited one gap you call?<font color="green"> 79 </font>

11)CO or Button raises, they att to steal blinds at least 30%, SB folds.
a)lowest AX you call / reraise?<font color="green"> a9 </font>
b)lowest Kx you call / reraise?<font color="green"> kj </font>
c)lowest Qx you call / reraise?<font color="green"> qt </font>
d)lowest Jx you call / reraise?<font color="green"> JT </font>
e)lowest PP you call / reraise?<font color="green"> any </font>
f)lowest suited connector you call/ reraise?<font color="green"> 89 </font>
g)lowest suited one gap you call / reraise?

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="green"> t8 </font>

Krishan

Jeff W
08-25-2005, 04:48 PM
9

a-22
b-A2s
c-ATo
d-K9s
e-76s
f-T8s

10

a-K2s
b-Q2s
c-76s
d-97s

11
a-A2o/ATo
b-K2o/KQo
c-Q7o/none
d-J8o/none
e-22/77
f-54s/none
g-64s/none

Sorted for 4-6 handed play: My VPIPBB is 38. FBB=39 and FBBHU=18.

08-26-2005, 04:53 PM
Good thread. I need to raise more out of the BB as well to bring my PFR% up.

Silverback
08-26-2005, 06:17 PM
Im working hard on preflop BB play. Any more answers to these questions, or even some of the questions would help greatly and will lead to better related threads in the future where I will breakdown different aspects of BB play.

I notice the better players seem to vpip in bb around 27% and fold to steal around 55%, if this is you please say answers some of the questions.

Also anyone else who plays $3/$6 and up please answer.

Thanks