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Pat Southern
08-23-2005, 02:01 PM
I posted this in the LL thread and got a couple responses. I thought this was a pretty standard short stack play, but the responses in the LL thread said otherwise...
antes are 100 and the short stack has probably been at the table for an orbit and hasn't played a hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t25412)
CO (t19276)
Hero (t14713)
SB (t27850)
BB (t45587)
UTG (t55455)
UTG+1 (t32689)
MP1 (t5428)
MP2 (t11890)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2, 2.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t5328, 3 folds, Hero raises to t14613,

Lloyd
08-23-2005, 02:27 PM
Antes? How did MP1 become a short stack? Was he blinded off or did he lose a hand that crippled him?

schwza
08-23-2005, 02:40 PM
i would fold if i were actually in that spot, but i'm not sure the fold would be correct. there's 3900 in dead money, so if you get heads up as a coinflip, that's pretty big for you. if you're in against a pair, that's bad but not horrible. and the odds that either blind has a pair big enough to call you are pretty low. still, i don't think it's worth the risk, and it's gonna kill your FE.

this is related to the debate A_PLUS and i were having here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3201659&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)

People_Mover
08-23-2005, 02:45 PM
I'm mucking it too. Against another pair, your odds are real crappy. If you think you're racing, then cool, but I'd rather save 6K for a better hand. You lose this hand and the blinds will call your small push with anything.. Hopefully it worked out

Pat Southern
08-23-2005, 08:10 PM
1 time bump

ansky451
08-23-2005, 08:42 PM
You are on the button, so you will have more oppurtunities to open push, which makes me more inclined to fold. If you call and lose you have lost just about all your FE for future pushes. So yeah, I fold.

Dave D
08-23-2005, 09:07 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I posted this in the LL thread and got a couple responses. I thought this was a pretty standard short stack play, but the responses in the LL thread said otherwise...
antes are 100 and the short stack has probably been at the table for an orbit and hasn't played a hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t25412)
CO (t19276)
Hero (t14713)
SB (t27850)
BB (t45587)
UTG (t55455)
UTG+1 (t32689)
MP1 (t5428)
MP2 (t11890)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2, 2.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t5328, 3 folds, Hero raises to t14613,

[/ QUOTE ]

I really think you can fold here. You just paid a blind and have 7 BBs, which is still a small stack but you do have some time. You're basically hoping for a coinflip at best, and any PP has you destroyed. If you were first in sure, easy push but there's no reason to call here as I've always understood part of the point of pushing with these hands is the fold equity. Here you obviously have none.

Incidently, how far are you from the money?