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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (11.00 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 folds, SB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>

What does our hero do in this situation?

[cold_cash]

Against who?

Usually I'd raise again.

If it were heads up I might just call.

I was new to the table, didn't have a read.

Suppose our hero raises again, villain calls, and checks the river. Do we take the free showdown or bet?

Yea I'm raising here. If he hit his straight, I would expect a c/r especially into the person who raised him on the flop.

Edit: I would bet the river if it happened like you said, assuming of course it's a safe card. With that play I would think he hit a pair with his straight draw.

[cold_cash]

Bet.

If he had you beat he would likely raise the turn or stop and go again on the river.

so here's what happened,

Turn: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (12.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB.

Was that line reasonable?

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Reasonable line, but that is the scariest possible river card here. Usually a board pairing isn't, but his play smacked of having top pair (the turn wouldn't complete any likely straight draws you'd raise with) so it looked like he had a Jack, but your line is the right one.

[atarom]

I think with that river I check behind. What would he have bet on the flop and the turn that didn't get there? I guess he could have been betting second pair if he put you on the draw, but I don't like that J one bit.

Yea I agree with both posters above me. If it is anything safe though I am defintaley betting it.

[grjr]

The way it played out it smells like UTG+1 had 98 but that J /images/graemlins/spade.gif on the river would scare the bejesus out of me and I would check the river.

Raise. I've got villain on a middle pair on the flop, his PF CC says so. Your overcards are still good here.

EDIT: OK, on that river I check down. Thats quite possibly the worst river he could've landed (3-flush on board, J paired up). Otherwise I agree with raising the river if its blank.

The reason I did not fear a flush on the river is that he bet the flop. I would bet the flop with a Jx spades, but not a 7x spades. Since he bet the turn as well, and when the river came J spade, I figured he would have had to be betting and calling raises on the the flop and turn with low pair and a backdoor flush draw.

Also, I figured I would be reraised if he had top pair, on either the flop or turn, so I was not too scared of the J.

What I was really afraid of was a raggedy two pair (87, 86, 76, people love to play connectors), and when the J came, it counterfeits his two pair, as I have Q's and J's against his J's and 8's or whatever.

Does that make sense? Or did I apply the "Hidden Outs/Counterfeiting" section of SSHE too liberally?

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The reason I did not fear a flush on the river is that he bet the flop. I would bet the flop with a Jx spades, but not a 7x spades. Since he bet the turn as well, and when the river came J spade, I figured he would have had to be betting and calling raises on the the flop and turn with low pair and a backdoor flush draw.

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This is an excellent point. If he's got middle pair (like I assumed), it won't be a flush after all.

[GTSamIAm]

Raise it up. Fold to a 3-bet.