Is this a good river fold?

[beachbum]

Reading stat posts, it seems I don't show enough hands down. My WtSD is 29.72 and my W$SD is 57.65. Making uncomfortable call downs seems to be like fixing your golf swing. At first it's akward and doesn't feel right, but after a while it will be more natural and will help in the long run.

Well starting a week ago I started trying to make this adjustment. Being uncomfortable at the tables has helped me drop over 200 BB. Anyway, is this one I should've called down?

My only reads are SB is loose, button is tight

Party Poker (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, Hero raises, CO folds, button cold-calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> (10 SB)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, button raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG cold-calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> (9 BB)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, button calls, SB check-raises, UTG folds, Hero folds, button calls.

Final Pot:

[wackjob]

Call the river.

[deepsquat]

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Call the river.

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[Catt]

Raise pre-flop.

I am not convinced that the river fold was terribly bad -- that there's a significant chance we're behind when SB C/R's two players on the river -- I think this is rarely a bluff and almost always means he can beat top pair. I wouldn't be surprised by a flush, would be mildly surprised by a straight, and wouldn't be surprised by two pair. Still, the way you played it it is tough to lay this down on the river getting 13:1 and I would almost certainly call expecting to lose. SB's calling two cold on the flop would worry me and after the turn check through and river C/R I think his most likely hand range includes flushes made on the turn (whiffed C/R) and other drawing hands. But you should really raise this pre-flop as it changes the hand dynamic quite a bit and you've underrepresented your hand enough that folding with the odds offered on the river is not good in these circumstances.

[beachbum]

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Raise pre-flop.

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I did.

[Catt]

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Raise pre-flop.

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I did.

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Whoops! Must be too used to the color coding from Bison's converter. Sorry 'bout that.

Given that you raised PF, I think you should 3-bet the flop or stop 'n go the turn. Were expecting a button turn bet and were you planning on C/R the turn before you saw it? Or were you essentially calling down barring some scare card + scare action or getting aggressive with improvement? When a /images/graemlins/spade.gif fell, what was your turn plan?

It's hard to lay this down getting 13:1 on the river, partly because I think you've underrepresented your hand which makes me more inclined to call the river. But I think you're almost certainly dead when SB C/R's two players on the river.

[OrianasDaad]

I'm having trouble making a coherent post, so I'll keep it short:

1) Bet the turn and go from there.
2) Check the river if you checked the turn, especially if you are going to fold to a raise.
3) Before deciding what to showdown, determine what your opponents are capable of showing down, and the manner that they play those hands. Determine this before you take your actions.

[beachbum]

On the turn, I was thinking the button would bet and I would fold to a raise or call closing the action. Then, I would check-call a non /images/graemlins/spade.gif river.

In hindsight I think just betting the turn is better and folding to a check-raise, or button raise.

[jba]

I really think betting the turn is better here.