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Unarmed
08-22-2005, 10:21 PM
Like or no like?

I have some history with Villain:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t2065)
Hero (t925)
BB (t2050)
UTG (t2290)
MP1 (t705)
MP2 (t1175)
CO (t790)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t45, BB calls t30.

Flop: (t180) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t125</font>, BB folds, I push, UTG calls t740.

Turn: (t1045) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1045) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1045

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 3c 3h (three of a kind, threes).
UTG has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins t1045. </font>

He seems decent, current stack was built on a AK all-in called by 99 or something. Prior to the first hand with me, he had called an allin with a combo draw on the flop. (iffy, but not awful call) On to the hand in question:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1765)
Hero (t1585)
UTG (t1890)
MP (t2570)
CO (t1650)
Button (t540)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t450) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t150</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t150.

Turn: (t750) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, MP calls t350.

River: (t1450) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero shoves.

08-22-2005, 10:33 PM
Can't he have 88 here? I assume you think he's playing with 22-77?

Oluwafemi
08-22-2005, 10:53 PM
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Flop: (t180) 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t125, BB folds, I push, UTG calls t740.

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i don't see how this is the first barrel bluff of another to come.
if he has 8 8 or 9 9, good for him-- he had to pay and show. i doubt villian is wiiling to gamble with a straight draw and call your all-in on the flop but with his stack, he may have been willing to with 8 diamond outs.

Nacarno
08-22-2005, 11:02 PM
I don't see how the history of the first hand is relevant to the current situation. The blinds are way bigger and your action is different. What am I supposed to be seeing?

gumpzilla
08-22-2005, 11:02 PM
I think it's okay. You've shown the villain that you have a willingness to play three of a kind fast in the first hand; I wonder how much weight he puts on that. The line that you're taking here looks more "trippy," though I think people will generally try c/r'ing the turn in those circumstances more often than leading. I'm just not sure that he's going to give you credit for it, though being in the blind helps. That said, I have a hard time thinking of a hand he could be playing this way that he's going to be calling on the river. You picked a good board for this. A couple of questions: What range do you think his limp means, and which of those hands is he folding? And (on a related note) which rivers are you not betting?

microbet
08-22-2005, 11:38 PM
Actually, I think it is a 3 barrel bluff.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1765)
Hero (t1585)
UTG (t1890)
MP (t2570)
CO (t1650)
Button (t540)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t450) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t150</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t150. <font color="#FF0000">First barrel</font>

Turn: (t750) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font> <font color="#FF0000">Second Barrel</font> , MP calls t350.

River: (t1450) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero shoves. <font color="#FF0000">Third Barrel</font>

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Well, maybe 2 1/2 barrels. The check/call/lead out is taking a shot. You don't need to take a shot here specifically, but not a bad spot I think. Maybe it worked, but I don't like your chances after he calls the turn.

Oluwafemi
08-22-2005, 11:46 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Actually, I think it is a 3 barrel bluff.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1765)
Hero (t1585)
UTG (t1890)
MP (t2570)
CO (t1650)
Button (t540)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t450) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t150</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t150. <font color="#FF0000">First barrel</font>

Turn: (t750) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font> <font color="#FF0000">Second Barrel</font> , MP calls t350.

River: (t1450) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero shoves. <font color="#FF0000">Third Barrel</font>

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Well, maybe 2 1/2 barrels. The check/call/lead out is taking a shot. You don't need to take a shot here specifically, but not a bad spot I think. Maybe it worked, but I don't like your chances after he calls the turn.

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not on the first hand w/ 3 3.

microbet
08-22-2005, 11:52 PM
I could be wrong, but my impression was that the first hand was just for background and the second hand contains the 2-barrel bluff.

Newt_Buggs
08-22-2005, 11:55 PM
IMO you are overthinking the situatoin and getting to fancy with this bluff. If you think he's stealing, checkraise the flop. That's how I would play an 8 or 4 sometimes anyway.

bigt439
08-23-2005, 01:22 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Like or no like?

I have some history with Villain:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t2065)
Hero (t925)
BB (t2050)
UTG (t2290)
MP1 (t705)
MP2 (t1175)
CO (t790)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t45, BB calls t30.

Flop: (t180) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t125</font>, BB folds, I push, UTG calls t740.

Turn: (t1045) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1045) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1045

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 3c 3h (three of a kind, threes).
UTG has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins t1045. </font>

He seems decent, current stack was built on a AK all-in called by 99 or something. Prior to the first hand with me, he had called an allin with a combo draw on the flop. (iffy, but not awful call) On to the hand in question:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1765)
Hero (t1585)
UTG (t1890)
MP (t2570)
CO (t1650)
Button (t540)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t450) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t150</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t150.

Turn: (t750) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, MP calls t350.

River: (t1450) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero shoves.

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Interesting, but what do you put him on? He hasn't shown much weakness since his pf limp, and this board hit a lot of limping hands.

freemoney
08-23-2005, 01:34 AM
ehh in position its a lil easier and also i would c/r the turn rather than lead out thats more suspicious.

curtains
08-23-2005, 04:13 AM
Basically I think you are completely insane. (Thats not ALWAYS a bad thing)

Jason Strasser
08-23-2005, 04:27 PM
I feel like most of the time when you get called on the turn you get called on the river. But if the player you are against is tough and will call the turn bet and fold to some river bets, then I guess your bluff is OK. I personally would bet more on the turn and then give up.

-Jason

Moonsugar
08-23-2005, 05:37 PM
I don't understnad why the first hand is in this post. Seems like a normal hand to me.

The 2nd hand I think is an ok way to play it very rarely. You know, I don't really mind showing complete and utter crap every now and then as it helps me to get paid off.

freemoney
08-23-2005, 06:21 PM
either he shows the hand and is broke or wins the pot without showing so good idea moon dont leave the 109s, and myst should join also

durron597
08-23-2005, 06:23 PM
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either he shows the hand and is broke or wins the pot without showing so good idea moon dont leave the 109s, and myst should join also

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I would imagine most people at the 109s would be smart enough to realize that showing down a bluff like this would be just an image play...

freemoney
08-23-2005, 06:32 PM
no one would ever show this hand after winning the pot if they liked money.

Moonsugar
08-23-2005, 07:36 PM
Don't encourage it.