Dr. Phil today

[Hal 2000]

If it's on your time zone now, turn it on, if later, tune in; online poker player featured.

[Drizztdj]

Is the player 12 years old and plays 16 games all at once?

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Son, I hope you realize that online poker is gambling, and that you cannot win when gambling. The house always wins son, and that means you lose.

[LetYouDown]

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Son, I hope you realize that online poker is gambling, and that you cannot win when gambling. The house always wins son, and that means you lose.

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Did he actually say that or is that an attempt at humor?

[Jack Bando]

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Son, I hope you realize that online poker is gambling, and that you cannot win when gambling. The house always wins son, and that means you lose.

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Did he actually say that or is that an attempt at humor?

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Attempt at humor, I chuckled.

I hate online players like this guy on Dr. Phil. "Phil Ivey wipes with 100's, 500's if he had chili. IF I PLAY ON TEH INTARNET WITH MY KREDIT CARD, I CAN PLAY THE 10/20 GAMES AND LIVE ON MY OWN ISLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!"

The donk doesn't even keep records!!! "I think I've put in around 12K" (He doesn't know....?) "It isn't gambling." (It's not, for him it's losing)

I hate to sound paranoid, but this is the kind of thing that starts small. One idiot talking about poker and his wife complaining about how it ruined their life. Little negative stories. Eventually Ed Bradley will have a full lineup of degenerates who's lives were ruined by poker, then complete media outrage, then your senators get involved. The reformers are coming, poker on the internet is about to be legislated out of existence. I saw it happen with cigarrettes,lawn darts, ATV's and countless other leisure activities. They are going to protect you from yourself.

[TheBob]

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I saw it happen with cigarrettes,lawn darts, ATV's and countless other leisure activities. They are going to protect you from yourself.

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Ya cause nobody smokes anymore...

[woodguy]

I think the gaming industry might have a little bit more $$$ for lobbyists and political contributions than the lawn dart industry did.

Regards,
Woodguy

[lozen]

No records you have no chance.

Curious why no questions like How many tourneys have you won, or placed in the money. THis guy probaly has never read a poker book.

[flo]

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I hate to sound paranoid, but this is the kind of thing that starts small. One idiot talking about poker and his wife complaining about how it ruined their life. Little negative stories. Eventually Ed Bradley will have a full lineup of degenerates who's lives were ruined by poker, then complete media outrage, then your senators get involved. The reformers are coming, poker on the internet is about to be legislated out of existence. I saw it happen with cigarrettes,lawn darts, ATV's and countless other leisure activities. They are going to protect you from yourself.

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Dude when someone smokes besides me, he damages my health. Smoking should be banned in every public place. Every. All over the world. You can't compare smoking and playing poker, and it's not close.
You made a valid point with that little negative stories tough.

[quinn]

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No records you have no chance.

Curious why no questions like How many tourneys have you won, or placed in the money. I probaly has never read a book.

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FYP

[gobboboy]

The real question for us is "how much have we made off this guy?"

I'm not a smoker but my point was when the media jumps on a story positive things never happen. Anytime some moron goes on TV and portrays something I enjoy doing in a negative light, I cringe. Poker is a media darling today, but it won't be long before your local "Action" news station is doing an in depth expose' at your local high school where malnourished kids are playing no-limit freeze outs with their lunch money and they will demand something is done. This is how personal freedoms are taken away in our country. Of course Jerry Springer is still on TV and they have yet to outlaw trailer parks, so maybe i'm way off base. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Moneyline]

Wow, that guy's wife is a total bitch. Not since Matt Damon split up with Gretchen Mol in Rounders has a poker player needed to break up with his woman so badly.

[MonkeeMan]

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I think the gaming industry might have a little bit more $$$ for lobbyists and political contributions than the lawn dart industry did.

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Those cheap lawn dart b*'s did nothing but take, take, take. No concern for their loyal users.

[TransientR]

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I'm not a smoker but my point was when the media jumps on a story positive things never happen. Anytime some moron goes on TV and portrays something I enjoy doing in a negative light, I cringe. Poker is a media darling today, but it won't be long before your local "Action" news station is doing an in depth expose' at your local high school where malnourished kids are playing no-limit freeze outs with their lunch money and they will demand something is done. This is how personal freedoms are taken away in our country. Of course Jerry Springer is still on TV and they have yet to outlaw trailer parks, so maybe i'm way off base. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I've been worrying about this re. online poker myself. The cable news people and the Dr. Phil's of this world are always looking for something to agitate the public with "the sky is falling" rhetoric. This in turn gets opportunistic politicians (is there any other kind?) involved.

And, of course, the easiest way to demonize something is to say: "Its ruining our precious children." Look at the Natalee Holloway case. Poor woman goes missing in Aruba and the Alabama politicians start agitating about legislating a boycott of Aruba...give me a break.

Plus there is the ignorance factor. These TV fatheads and politicians will lump poker in with any other "you can't beat the house" gambling games. And the hypocritical ones will rant-and-rave on TV or the floor of the senate and go right home and play online or with their cronies.

I saw Bob Costas on his HBO show the other day, he basically dismissed poker as a total waste of time, and virtually declared everyone who plays the game 'degenerates.'

Of course he creams over baseball players, some of whom stick needles loaded with steroids in each other's butts /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Maybe if the heat comes down on poker, Mr. Uber Republican "Book of Virtues" Bob Bennett will come to the games' defense. After all, hawking 'virtue' pays his bills, while spending hours gambling in casinos is what really floats his boat /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Frank

[Roy Munson]

Hell, I still play lawn darts.

[AlphaWice]

Quoted directly from their site (drphil.com)

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Springer estimates that he's used between $15,000 and $20,000 of their savings to finance his poker playing. "I'm working on being a professional poker player. Poker is not gambling," he says.

Jennell estimates that Springer has spent $100,000 from their savings, and they have $50,000 in credit card debt.

"Does this concern you at all?" Dr. Phil asks Springer.

"It does concern me," he replies, but he disputes her numbers. When Springer says that his plan was for poker playing to sustain them financially, Dr. Phil questions, "You say that poker's not gambling?"

"I don't think poker is gambling when it's approached the correct way," Springer maintains.

"It apparently isn't gambling the way you do it because you're just paying out money!" Dr. Phil observes.
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Lol he spent 150k and still doesnt know how to play poker

[JTrout]

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Hell, I still play lawn darts.

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Does your artificial hand ever fly off?

[KingCon]

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I saw it happen with cigarrettes,lawn darts, ATV's and countless other leisure activities. They are going to protect you from yourself.

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Ya cause nobody smokes anymore...

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I smoke while I play lawn darts

[BadBoyBenny]

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Dude when someone drives a car by me, he damages my health. The internal combustion engine should be banned in every public place. Every. All over the world. You can't compare vehicles and playing poker, and it's not close.
You made a valid point with that little negative stories tough.

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Get over it dude. There are so many things people do that damage others health, why hate on smokers.

[billymonk]

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The wife deserved to be divorced for being selfish

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You're kidding me right?

[Roy Munson]

Since the nasty cheese grating accident I had to learn to throw left handed.

[meow_meow]

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I'm serious. He admitted that he was a losing player in the beginning but she was unwilling to understand. The guy has what it takes to make it. Educational background, willingness to learn and take risks. He is clearly intelligent. But he has to be given the time to grow. This requires a patient and understanding wife which she isn't.

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Puke.
If he doesn't keep records, and plays stakes at which he is clearly a loser, he isn't going to make it. He is gambling and he's in denial.

Want to learn the game? How about keeping good records and showing a profit at 1/2 before playing 15/30?

Give me a break.

[autobet]

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I'm serious. He admitted that he was a losing player in the beginning but she was unwilling to understand. The guy has what it takes to make it. Educational background, willingness to learn and take risks. He is clearly intelligent. But he has to be given the time to grow. This requires a patient and understanding wife which she isn't.

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The guy was a losing player, and dreamed of being a pro.

I may dream of being a rockstar, but I'm not quitting my day job.

The guy had a wife with MS, two kids, a mortgage, had gone through 100K in savings, amassed 50K in credit card debt and had recently turned down a job. He needs to get a real job, and consider poker as a hobby (at least until he learns how to play).

I thought Dr. Phil was pretty cool about the whole thing (never thought I'd say that). He didn't really bash poker (except at the very end) and just told the guy he needed to get a job and keep poker on the side at least for now.

[Mempho]

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Wow, that guy's wife is a total bitch. Not since Matt Damon split up with Gretchen Mol in Rounders has a poker player needed to break up with his woman so badly.

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You neglected my situation.

[kitaristi0]

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I'm serious. He admitted that he was a losing player in the beginning but she was unwilling to understand. The guy has what it takes to make it. Educational background, willingness to learn and take risks. He is clearly intelligent. But he has to be given the time to grow. This requires a patient and understanding wife which she isn't.

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If this guys dropped $100k at the poker tables, then i'd say he's got some serious money management issues.

[Beavis68]

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I saw it happen with cigarrettes,lawn darts, ATV's and countless other leisure activities. They are going to protect you from yourself.

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Ya cause nobody smokes anymore...

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And when I get bored with smoking and playing lawn darts, I grab a fifth and jump on my 3-wheel ATC.

I smoke while I play lawn darts

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[Vee Quiva]

The problem with Dr. Phil's shows is often times he brings in bad examples of the problem he wants to discuss. Obviously this guy is a gambling addict and needs help. You cannot imply from this guy that poker is a losing proposition.

He should have brought in a real professional gambler with some success and who is going through a bad run. That would have been more realistic.

Another example was a show where he had the real "Coach Carter" on from the movie and he brought in a couple of kids with dreams of going pro after highschool ala LeBron James. One was a skinny white kid with a jew fro. They show him shooting baskets in the front yard with the worst form I have ever seen. One of the first questions they ask him is, "Are you the best player on your team?" He hems and haws and says "No". If you're not even the best player on your team, how can he harbor any real feelings about going pro?

C'mon Phil if you're going to have a show on a topic, bring in a guest where the they can have a legitimate discussion!

[cwsiggy]

Quiet Mushu. You are just temporarily benefitting from your owner's success; and when he hits a dry spell in the challenge matches and WPT, you are back to dry dog food.

[Tom1975]

It's still better than a vegan burger

[kleos]

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C'mon Phil if you're going to have a show on a topic, bring in a guest where the they can have a legitimate discussion!

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You are talking about a fat man who wrote a book on weight loss. Then again, maybe he is just husky.

[rustyboy]

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I saw it happen with cigarrettes,lawn darts, ATV's and countless other leisure activities. They are going to protect you from yourself.

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Ya cause nobody smokes anymore...

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I smoke while I play lawn darts

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But have you smoked and played lawn darts while riding an ATV? If not you havent lived.

[Marlow]

Interesting paradox we got here. All of us love these guys because they put money in our pockets, but we still get angry when confronted with the dark secrets of their gambooling hearts.

This guy's a loser. Prolly an addict. This is bad when it happens and hurts the game of poker (esp the wonderful online incarnation...). Honestly I don't want addicts to sit at my game. I don't want to hurt anyone. But once they do sit, I'll do everything within my power to strip him of his last dime if he puts it on the table.

Because of this, it's going to be hard for the poker community to say anything really sympathetic about guys like this dude on Dr. Phil.

Marlow