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08-21-2005, 06:57 PM
Ok, I guess my first post wasn't well recieved, and I guess I pissed off a few people. All apologies. Here's my question: If you are playing a live game with inexperienced players and there tells are very straightforward, such as sighing with poor hands and practically announcing they are going to fold, as well as obvious facial tells when they are holding a good hand, is it right to keep sucking money out of them or should I let them know that they are being too obvious with their tells? It seems immoral to exploit such flaws. BTW these are for the most part friends of mine. Also, I am unfamiliar with the definition of "troll" at this website.

Matt Williams
08-21-2005, 07:02 PM
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Ok, I guess my first post wasn't well recieved, and I guess I pissed off a few people. All apologies. Here's my question: If you are playing a live game with inexperienced players and there tells are very straightforward, such as sighing with poor hands and practically announcing they are going to fold, as well as obvious facial tells when they are holding a good hand, is it right to keep sucking money out of them or should I let them know that they are being too obvious with their tells? It seems immoral to exploit such flaws. BTW these are for the most part friends of mine. Also, I am unfamiliar with the definition of "troll" at this website.

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First off, you won't come across tells as much as you think. Second, they are called ATM's for a reason. IFf you have a conscience about it being immoral, why are you playing poker to begin with? It's gambling. As far as a troll goes, I guess because you pissed off some people with your first post, you would be considered a troll.

08-21-2005, 07:09 PM
Maybe I should've explained a bit more. Me and a group of friends play frequently, but every once in a while we get other friends who are new to the game and do have bad poker faces or ATMs or whatver. The point is these people I can read just about every hand. These arent high stakes, and I know its poker, but it does put them at a severe disadvantage when they are just trying to have some fun. It's not a casino or on-line where i know its not an issue.

Matt Williams
08-21-2005, 07:13 PM
OK...
So what's the point? You can read your friends? Big deal. You won't be able to read people you have never played against at a casino.

The_Bends
08-21-2005, 07:14 PM
These ones are simple

1) In general you shouldn't think poker (as the subsiquent taking of money) is immoral. If you do you shouldn't play

2) It is most profitable not to tell people these things but if they are your friends you probably should help them learn the game. No value in taking all their money if you only play for fun.

ds914
08-21-2005, 07:32 PM
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1) In general you shouldn't think poker (as the subsiquent taking of money) is immoral. If you do you shouldn't play


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That pretty much sums it up.

08-21-2005, 07:43 PM
Yes, I am aware that poker is about taking money, but this is circumstantial. It's a friendly game, not on-line. Thanks to The Bends, I'm satisfied.

08-21-2005, 07:45 PM
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is it right to keep sucking money out of them or should I let them know that they are being too obvious with their tells? It seems immoral to exploit such flaws.

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You're joking, right?

Matt Williams
08-21-2005, 07:50 PM
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is it right to keep sucking money out of them or should I let them know that they are being too obvious with their tells? It seems immoral to exploit such flaws.

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You're joking, right?

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This stuff is good actually. It helps w/ the thought process of people who play for fun and not to make money.

EStreet20
08-21-2005, 07:55 PM
Buy your friends masks to wear when they play.

brettbrettr
08-21-2005, 09:35 PM
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Buy your friends masks that say Bite Me to wear when they play.

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FYP.

SycoFrogg
08-21-2005, 09:56 PM
Again if you lay your money down onto a table not having a clue as to what your doing via me betting horses or sports and you lose...your own fault. It's like buying a car without test driving it, or buying any kind of product without knowing if it's going to work...your stupid and it's your own fault.

Greg J
08-21-2005, 10:02 PM
I guess I'm saying this to be informative, since you don't seem to want to piss people off. I think most regular posters appreciate it when people lurk this board and try to soak things up before starting new posts asking "n00b" questions.

New poker players have like a million and one questions when they find 2+2, but they usually ask the wrong ones. I mean this in the most sincere and least malicious way possible: the old adage "God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason" mos def applies here. I would also direct you to the beginner's forum if you have a basic question you "just have" to know.

As far as learning TONS about poker, from strategy to ethics, this is the place. But you are probably well served doing a lot more reading and occasionally responding in threads with a polite and relevant query than you are asking lots of questions and starting new threads. You will soak up tons of knowlegde about poker and feel more comfortable making posts -- and when you do post you won't get flamed.

08-21-2005, 10:29 PM
I appreciate the reply, and I guess I could have thrown out a better question (sorry I couldn't ask a whether or not I was getting the right pot odds question), but I think the question was answered perfectly fine and there was no need for further comment. I would not quite place myself at "noob" status, but maybe I should avoid getting bored and only ask when I got a truly worthy question.