River decision

[Nietzsche]

Opponents are both loose passive.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero?

[Nietzsche]

Bump

[New001]

Probably bet that.

[whodaman]

i would check that

[wheelz]

bet

[Chairman Wood]

I foresee that most of the time you are going to bet and both will fold but that doesn't mean you shouldn't bet. You will be called by a worse 7, a 6, a 5 (but I believe unlikely as even with passive people you would have heard from a 5 on the flop or turn), a 9, 44, 33 and 22. 88 is a small threat but with it as with higher pocket pairs I think you would have heard from them. I see more hands that call that you beat then beat you. How exactly does it work with 2 opponents? Do you need to make sure your bet if called by both will be good more than 33% of the time? I also think you can fold to a c/r,

[Chairman Wood]

why?

[whodaman]

unless UTG is limping a pair under fives, he is either folding or has us beat.

SB could have a worse 7 but i think the possibility of an 8 or a 9 is higher.

I dont know how loose the SB is but would she really call our raise pf with J7? Q7? K7?
if she doesn't have those hands, we dont beat anything she is calling a bet with.

[whodaman]

what hands are SB and UTG playing that we have beat and are calling a bet besides the improbable 22-44?

[ArturiusX]

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unless UTG is limping a pair under fives, he is either folding or has us beat.

SB could have a worse 7 but i think the possibility of an 8 or a 9 is higher.

I dont know how loose the SB is but would she really call our raise pf with J7? Q7? K7?
if she doesn't have those hands, we dont beat anything she is calling a bet with.

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Very weak. Ace high is calling here more often than you think.

[wheelz]

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SB could have a worse 7 but i think the possibility of an 8 or a 9 is higher.

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Why? Because he check called the turn and checked the river?

[whodaman]

you think he is limping and calling down with ace high against two opponents very often, especially when we hold one of the aces???

[whodaman]

no because i cant imagine what 7 he has... K7 is really the only hand he could have and that is a ridiculous pf call as well.



In all honesty it really depends how loose the SB is and how loose passive UTG is

[wheelz]

So what 9 or 8 do you think someone has?

This charade has gone on long enough, it's a bet. Bet bet bet.

[Nietzsche]

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no because i cant imagine what 7 he has... K7 is really the only hand he could have and that is a ridiculous pf call as well.



In all honesty it really depends how loose the SB is and how loose passive UTG is

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Both were in the +60VPIP range with low aggression postflop.

[Womble]

Why are you riasing preflop? I have trouble raising limpers and know I don't do it enough. I play $1/2 and $3/6, would A7o still be a raise LP after 1 limper? Do the blinds have to be tight to do this?

[Nietzsche]

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Why are you riasing preflop? I have trouble raising limpers and know I don't do it enough. I play $1/2 and $3/6, would A7o still be a raise LP after 1 limper? Do the blinds have to be tight to do this?

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I raised to isolate the very loose passive UTG. BB was relatively tight. Raise too thin?

[wheelz]

I think so.

[Jake (The Snake)]

Really? What are your min isolating standards here?

What about if Hero is the button?

[ipp147]

I think the river is a much easier bet than the preflop was a raise.

I agree.... I would value bet this.... A high is gonna call a lot here, and if u get no callers u don't have 2 showdown and can maintain a tighter table image