Girlie man?

[bones]

Can't pull the trigger for some reason.

***** Hand History for Game 2559437082 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14965044 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, August 19, 00:34:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 14261 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: Full_X_Grind ( $515 )
Seat 3: Triumph955 ( $1040 )
Seat 4: pokerguy168 ( $2425 )
Seat 5: ehc325 ( $1595 )
Seat 6: HomerJBetz ( $1085 )
Seat 8: ward79 ( $550 )
Seat 9: DonkeysAlwaysDraw ( $790 )
Trny:14965044 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DonkeysAlwaysDraw [ 4d Ad ]
Full_X_Grind folds.
Triumph955 folds.
pokerguy168 folds.
ehc325 folds.
HomerJBetz raises [250].
ward79 folds.
DonkeysAlwaysDraw folds.
HomerJBetz does not show cards.
HomerJBetz wins 400 chips

***** Hand History for Game 2559464760 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14965044 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Friday, August 19, 00:39:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 14261 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Full_X_Grind ( $1855 )
Seat 3: Triumph955 ( $1190 )
Seat 4: pokerguy168 ( $2425 )
Seat 5: ehc325 ( $1345 )
Seat 9: DonkeysAlwaysDraw ( $1185 )
Trny:14965044 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DonkeysAlwaysDraw [ Ks Jc ]
>You have options at Table 14892 Table!.
pokerguy168 folds.
ehc325 calls [150].
DonkeysAlwaysDraw folds.

[axeshigh]

First one is read dependent, second one an easy fold.

[Matt R.]

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second one an easy fold.

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I think this one is very read dependent as well. I'd insta-push this if he's one of those players that has to limp every other hand. Seems very possible given that he just limped off >10% of his stack shorthanded.

[bones]

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I'd insta-push this if he's one of those players that has to limp every other hand

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He was, which is why I hated the fold. He ended up showing down A7. For whatever reason, limps seem to freeze me when going to push. Well, maybe this reason:

NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14965668 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, August 19, 01:05:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 15063 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: tji333 ( $785 )
Seat 9: DonkeysAlwaysDraw ( $815 )
Seat 10: Cartee333 ( $1955 )
Seat 8: BC301 ( $1760 )
Seat 7: grtdane59 ( $2685 )
Trny:14965668 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DonkeysAlwaysDraw [ 4c 4h ]
Cartee333 calls [100].
tji333 folds.
grtdane59 folds.
BC301 folds.
DonkeysAlwaysDraw is all-In [715]
Cartee333 calls [715].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Qd, 9d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Cartee333 shows [ 8c, Ac ] two pairs, aces and nines.
DonkeysAlwaysDraw shows [ 4c, 4h ] two pairs, nines and fours.

[HonestIago15]

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I'd insta-push this if he's one of those players that has to limp every other hand

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He was, which is why I hated the fold. He ended up showing down A7. For whatever reason, limps seem to freeze me when going to push. Well, maybe this reason:

NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14965668 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, August 19, 01:05:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 15063 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: tji333 ( $785 )
Seat 9: DonkeysAlwaysDraw ( $815 )
Seat 10: Cartee333 ( $1955 )
Seat 8: BC301 ( $1760 )
Seat 7: grtdane59 ( $2685 )
Trny:14965668 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DonkeysAlwaysDraw [ 4c 4h ]
Cartee333 calls [100].
tji333 folds.
grtdane59 folds.
BC301 folds.
DonkeysAlwaysDraw is all-In [715]
Cartee333 calls [715].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Qd, 9d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Cartee333 shows [ 8c, Ac ] two pairs, aces and nines.
DonkeysAlwaysDraw shows [ 4c, 4h ] two pairs, nines and fours.

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This is exactly the reason I'm not sure about pushing either of these hands. I think a push might overestimate the ability of donks at the 20+2's to fold middle aces, suited and/or connected face cards and low pocket pairs.

[tigerite]

I think the first one is a clear stop and go. I don't reckon he's folding much preflop if you push back.

Second one - read dependent, yeah. I lean towards a fold though.

[Newt_Buggs]

wtf, I'm shocked by some of the responses that I'm seeing on this

on the first one you need a really good read to do anything other than fold

edit: I'm retarded, on the 2nd one I can still see all 3 as close, but now i'm leaning towards a fold.

[tigerite]

He's not in the SB, he's on the button Buggs.

[bones]

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i can see completing, pushing, and folding as all possible

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I'm on the button.

[the_joker]

Seems ok to me. I doubt you're girlie with that avatar /images/graemlins/smile.gif