TPTK on capped flop with AJ, overcard K on turn.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP3 calls, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

No reads on SB yet.

I'm okay with my play on the flop. Sure, he could have had two-pair or trips, but he also could have have JT QJ or KJ.

Seeing that K on the turn and him willingly lead into it after I capped the flop made me uneasy. I thought right then he at least can beat my TPTK, but still called down just in case he was being overly aggressive. Plus, I have 13:1 odds on the turn, which is enough to see if I can hit a miracle ace.

Anything I should have done differently?

[Fantam]

Looks fine.

You had odds to call the turn, and it made sense to call the river with possibly the best hand in such a big pot.

[istewart]

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Looks fine.

You had odds to call the turn, and it made sense to call the river with possibly the best hand in such a big pot.

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If we thought we were calling the turn just for odds tof improving on the river, we should fold the river unimproved. Not because we got there somehow and the odds are "good."

But FWIW, I think we called the turn because we have the best hand often enough to see a showdown.

I thought I might still have the best hand, or we could split. So even without the right odds, I would have called this down.

[GTSamIAm]

Don't cap the flop here. He's check/folding any hand you beat on the turn. Call down after the flop 3-bet and hope he has a weaker J.

[davelin]

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Don't cap the flop here. He's check/folding any hand you beat on the turn.

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You're insane.

[istewart]

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I thought I might still have the best hand, or we could split. So even without the right odds, I would have called this down.

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No, I thought you played the entire hand well. The K on the turn sucks, since KJ was one of the more likely holdings he had that you beat, but oh well.

[GTSamIAm]

At 0.5/1, at loose-passive city? What is he 3-betting you with? In 0.5/1, the range of hands is slightly stronger. But yes, he'll probably call down with QJ. People check/fold mid pairs or weak kickered Q's they would have usually called down with after a flop cap, though.

[jrz1972]

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People check/fold mid pairs or weak kickered Q's they would have usually called down with after a flop cap, though.

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This isn't my experience at all.

[Hojglad]

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In 0.5/1, the range of hands is slightly stronger. But yes, he'll probably call down with QJ

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If you think he is 3 betting this flop with JQ, you are absolutely insane.

Ditto.

[Shillx]

Calling the river is just throwing away a BB imo.

[Hojglad]

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Calling the river is just throwing away a BB imo.

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I concur, doctor.

[grjr]

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Calling the river is just throwing away a BB imo.

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Then shouldn't you be folding the turn instead?

[Saint_D]

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In 0.5/1, the range of hands is slightly stronger. But yes, he'll probably call down with QJ

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If you think he is 3 betting this flop with JQ, you are absolutely insane.

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I agree.

I expect him to have two pair or a set most of the time and once in a while KQ for the gutshot. Raising the first bet is a great way to protect your jacks and find out how much the bettor likes his hand. He likes it a lot! He caps and leads.

I put him on 2 pair 80% of the time. .5/1 players like to Stop and Go thier flopped sets so that's less likely. a 4 strait isn't out of the question.

Default: I would have called the flop and folded the turn UI.

I would sometimes (read dependant) fold the flop to the 3 bet. Later, cards willing, I would re-raise him with a good hand to induce a bluff/semi-bluff.

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[Shillx]

Then shouldn't you be folding the turn instead?

The pot is 14.5 BB when it comes to us. Even if the bettor flipped up 2-pair, we are still calling here. Our only fear is that he has KJ in which case we are down to just the 3 aces. If he has any other 2 pair, we have at least 6 outs and in some cases we have up to 9 outs. Way more then enough to call there.

If we Stove it, our equity against any 2-pair or set is:

Board: Js 9h Kc 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 12.0321 % 12.03% 00.00% { AJo }
Hand 2: 87.9679 % 87.97% 00.00% { JJ, 99, 33, KJs, J9s, J3s, 93s, KJo, J9o, J3o, 93o }

Clear call getting a lot-one. We only need about 7:1 to call here.

Brad

[grjr]

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Then shouldn't you be folding the turn instead?

The pot is 14.5 BB when it comes to us. Even if the bettor flipped up 2-pair, we are still calling here. Our only fear is that he has KJ in which case we are down to just the 3 aces. If he has any other 2 pair, we have at least 6 outs and in some cases we have up to 9 outs. Way more then enough to call there.

If we Stove it, our equity against any 2-pair or set is:

Board: Js 9h Kc 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 12.0321 % 12.03% 00.00% { AJo }
Hand 2: 87.9679 % 87.97% 00.00% { JJ, 99, 33, KJs, J9s, J3s, 93s, KJo, J9o, J3o, 93o }

Clear call getting a lot-one. We only need about 7:1 to call here.

Brad

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If you had a read on the SB as a passive player would you consider folding the turn since you're probably either drawing dead to a set or straight or drawing to 3 outs against KJ?

[Shillx]

You can't have it both ways dude. If the SB can have a straight here (ie. he 3-bet the flop with an OESD) then he can have a ton of hands that we beat here too. There is about a zero % chance that a passive player has a straight here, and if he can have a straight then he can also have hands like JT and QJ. We have more then enough equity to check out a river here (Stove tells us that we need about 7:1 to call the turn).

Brad

I completely neglected to consider if he had for J9 two-pair I could hit an Ace OR another King on the river. It's doubtful he'd call a raise with J3 or 93, but still possible I guess.

[Shillx]

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I completely neglected to consider if he had for J9 two-pair I could hit an Ace OR another King on the river. It's doubtful he'd call a raise with J3 or 93, but still possible I guess.

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Board: Js 3d 9h Kc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 06.4594 % 06.46% 00.00% { AJo }
Hand 2: 93.5406 % 93.54% 00.00% { JJ, 99, 33, KJs, J9s, KJo, J9o }

We need 14.5:1 to call and that is what we are getting here. So even in this worst case scenario we have enough to call here.

Brad

Right, right. I was just saying "oh yeah, I forgot about that!" Excellent analysis.

Folding on the river... I'm still unconvinced of given 18:1 odds against a player with no read. I'd only have to be right 5% of the time! If I had AJ and capped the flop, I know I'd lead out even with a K showing. If raised, I'd have to consider many factors.

Perhaps folding would still be best because we already have a caller who probably has a K (although maybe a 9 or a worse jack, who knows)?

[johnc]

SB's three flop 3-bet definately puts a question mark as to whether we're ahead (I'm thinking two pair or set). The cap was a bit iffy IMO, but ok I'll go along.

SB leading out after the K falls indicates he believes he's genuinely ahead at this point (set or two pair?) or it improved his hand (3-bet OESD? I'm not as likely to buy this one). Odds indicate we call this one down from here since we don't need huge chances to justify it but I'm pretty sure we're beat.