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oreogod
08-18-2005, 08:23 AM
I have 20 hands on this guy. 60/0/3.5

Anybody think nay?

If Im behind, its not by much, but I could be ahead here a decent amount of the time.

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP posts a blind
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

oreogod
08-18-2005, 08:25 AM
the converter screwed it up some of the hand info, it has been repaired-ish...oui. Oh well, the spirit of the hand remains.

jason_t
08-18-2005, 08:27 AM
Fold turn.

kurosh
08-18-2005, 08:39 AM
Fold or raise turn.

oreogod
08-18-2005, 08:40 AM
what if u have AK-AJ here...call down, raise turn/river?

Emperor
08-18-2005, 08:47 AM
I play this against someone who can fold (usually a 3.5agg can):

Raise flop, if 3 bet C/F turn UI (this guy could have 2 cards here, maybe just 1 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif )

Turn: Bet if checked to, fold if C/R

River check it through

When I have a hand I am willing to showdown I play it like I hit middle pair until convinced otherwise.

kurosh
08-18-2005, 08:47 AM
There's not a huge difference between A-high and K-high in this sort of situation. If he doesn't have a pair, you probably have him beat anyway. KQ might even be better because of reverse domination. I'd do the same with AK-AJ. Either raise or fold the turn.

Tropex
08-18-2005, 08:49 AM
I've done similar stuff, hoping to hit K or Q but I don't think this is the correct line and i've been trying to get rid of it since so many play Arag or just pure rags, as you show from the statistics, the guy maybe playing a lot of crap and I wouldn't call down with K high, maybe ace high.

MrTeddyKGB
08-18-2005, 08:57 AM
raise turn if you want to show the hand down. I would probably fold the turn.

Haupt_234
08-18-2005, 09:15 AM
Flop peel is fine, but what are you doing calling the turn here? Either peel one and fold the turn UI, or raise the flop and try to take a free turn card.

I like peeling here a lot better given the villans postflop aggression stats, even though it is based on only 20 hands.

Haupt_234

Haupt_234
08-18-2005, 09:17 AM
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raise turn if you want to show the hand down. I would probably fold the turn.

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I think the line of raising the turn for a free showdown is ok in very, very few spots. This isn't one of them given the villans LAG type stats (edit: postflop) and his bet out into you on the flop with another player inbetween.

Haupt_234

MAxx
08-18-2005, 11:02 AM
looks good to me if your read is money.

Last night i play a player with similar vpip (66), but was not that agressive (closer to 2). he was a donkaholic. would donk any 2 on any street. I would show down just about any A or K high vs him. I won two hands with umimproved KQo (one with an A on board). He was a donkbluffer for real. A highs were money, but he'd also often river some wild stuff on the river...such is poker.

Apocalypse
08-18-2005, 11:43 AM
(haven't read other reply's)
Although the numbers seem appealing they just hint but actually say nothing about his betting patterns for his play out of position multiway as a non-aggressor with/without a hand. They decide for you what to do, and wether your play is correct/incorrect(you have to be damn sure as well).