A lesson for the young barhoppers

[J_V]

You are minding your own business, hanging out with one of your buddies at the cool new place that just opened up around the corner. All of a sudden an attractive young lady approaches you and intiates conversation. She really seems to be taken a liking to you. Things are going great. After about 10 minutes, the subjects of drinks come up. She says, you wanna take a shot!?!?!!! You order two kamikazeees.












Game over you lose!!!!!!!!

You just got played. How do you know?

Red flag #1: She initiated the conversation. You should get suspicious.

Red flag #2: They almost always target people that are near the bar.

Red flag #3: It's usually an expensive place. This stuff is super common in clubs - where drinks are $10.

Red flag #4: You are not in a big group. Reasons they picked you, should be obvious.

Red flag #5: She was very attractive. She knows exactly what she can get away with.

Now if you are still unsure if she's really playing you, just don't buy her a drink. You're not gonna lose a chick, because you didn't immediately buy her a drink. If she's around in 40 minutes, feel free.

What would a shark do in that spot? Realize as soon as she walks up what is happening. While you engage her, you're really thinking about the best reply to, "Do you wanna get drinks?" as you can. You want your reply to be mean, derogatory and shocking. The hotter she is, the meaner you have to be.

"Do you wanna get drinks?!?!!?"

(to a sort've hot girl): "I'd rather stick my balls in a blender."

(You to a super hot girl): "You know if your breasts were just one cup size bigger, and you didn't have so much make-up on, I might consider it. But, I'll think I'll take a raincheck on this one."

We've all been duped before, let's not let it happen again.

[thatpfunk]

Or you just talk normally and life works out fine?

[sublime]

dude, if a chick walks up to me its because im a handsome fcuker with a great smile.

[J_V]

Yeah but the question for drinks is coming. And its usually very direct.

If you've never seen it done, you haven't been to that many bars.

[tdarko]

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dude, if a chick walks up to me its because im a handsome fcuker with a great smile... and a serious bulge in the crotch of my pants.



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FYP. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[chuddo]

im with sublime.

what if you just happen to be really, really, really ridiculously good looking?

[chuddo]

also, instead of being a cock, you should pull the ol switcheroo on her if you think she is just trying to get a free drink.

when she says "would you like to do shots?" just say:

"i hadn't really planned on doing any shots, but since you are offering, how can i say no?"

if she blatantly says "i meant for you to get us a round.", you can just say, "what are you, cheap?"

[J_V]

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what if you just happen to be really, really, really ridiculously good looking?

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I'm not sure. I don't know anything about that.

[Eurotrash]

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also, instead of being a cock, you should pull the ol switcheroo on her if you think she is just trying to get a free drink.

when she says "would you like to do shots?" just say:

"i hadn't really planned on doing any shots, but since you are offering, how can i say no?"

if she blatantly says "i meant for you to get us a round.", you can just say, "what are you, cheap?"

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wow, the check-raise and cap her 3-bet. awesome.

[J_V]

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"i hadn't really planned on doing any shots, but since you are offering, how can i say no?"

if she blatantly says "i meant for you to get us a round.", you can just say, "what are you, cheap?"

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Expert.

[sublime]

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what if you just happen to be really, really, really ridiculously good looking?

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I'm not sure. I don't know anything about that.

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your good looking enough, where your original post seems odd as [censored].

[MagicMan08]

Its also customary to buy a drink to get to know someone and chat...it all depends on how you look at it...if you buy em a drink and they skip...well then u got dooped...i am 21 on sunday so it should be interesting...

[asofel]

and herein lies the transition from accidental online homosexual tendencies to blatant flirting...


jk of course /images/graemlins/smile.gif


and J_V, i think we all know that a shark is no damn match for octopussy

[Edge34]

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also, instead of being a cock, you should pull the ol switcheroo on her if you think she is just trying to get a free drink.

when she says "would you like to do shots?" just say:

"i hadn't really planned on doing any shots, but since you are offering, how can i say no?"

if she blatantly says "i meant for you to get us a round.", you can just say, "what are you, cheap?"

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wow, the check-raise and cap her 3-bet. awesome.

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By far the best play I have ever seen. Well done sir.

[Voltron87]

refusing to buy certain people drinks is one of my favorite bar pastimes.

[stillbr]

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also, instead of being a cock, you should pull the ol switcheroo on her if you think she is just trying to get a free drink.

when she says "would you like to do shots?" just say:

"i hadn't really planned on doing any shots, but since you are offering, how can i say no?"

if she blatantly says "i meant for you to get us a round.", you can just say, "what are you, cheap?"

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nh

[whiskeytown]

I remember seeing something similiar in that Casino show that was at Ceasar's -

in it, the ladies go basically flirt their way into some games, borrow some chips from the older guys, and try to play with their money - not cool.....

stupid bitches -

RB

[nothumb]

Good post.

However, you have to also look at the meta game situation here. If no guys bought drinks for hot bar sluts, then nobody would get to pipe them in a drunken stupor later in the night. So if a girl tries this on you, you might consider taking one for the team.

I can't say I get approached in this manner, maybe cause I live in a small town and a lot of people know me and know I have a girlfriend. However it's not for lack of going to bars, some of them kinda trendy/expensive.

NT

[J_V]

How is it odd? I've seen this scenario quite a few times and know girls that do it. Never at college though. Drinks were probably too cheap for anyone to care. A girl that comes up to you when you are near the bar is usually bad news. (this is specific to at or near THE bar). It's just something to be on the look out for. It annoys me way more than it should - and really annoys me when my friends do it or get duped.

[touchfaith]

But should I tip her?

[J_V]

This has happend in Las Vegas a lot to me. I'll be be away from the group getting a drink with a friend and the girls just come down from the rafters - so friendly.

If I came off like I had all the answers - that wasn't the point, I learn through experience /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[Al P]

What kinda slut whore goes to a bar by herself anyway?

[poker-penguin]

The correct line here is clear - "Give me a blowjob in the toilets and I'll buy your drinks for the rest of the night"

[sublime]

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This has happend in Las Vegas a lot to me. I'll be be away from the group getting a drink with a friend and the girls just come down from the rafters - so friendly.

If I came off like I had all the answers - that wasn't the point, I learn through experience /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

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oh, so its hookers?

i dunno, this never happend to me.

[Edge34]

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Its also customary to buy a drink to get to know someone and chat...it all depends on how you look at it...if you buy em a drink and they skip...well then u got dooped...i am 21 on sunday so it should be interesting...

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If you're near the Cities, you really need your friends that are already 21 to take you out Saturday night. Don't do that stupid 20 shots thing, but you really should go do it as soon as you get the chance.

[Michael Davis]

Hey JV,

I think another good play would be just to cut them off at the start, and say, "Oh, this is the part where you approach me and act real friendly and then trick me into buying you a drink because I'm supposed to be some stupid guy who goes gaga over your slightly above average but nothing special looks, right? I think you need to find another chump."

-Michael

[mason55]

Yeah I almost beat the [censored] out of my friend last time we were out and a hot girl came up. Of course after 5 minutes he walks away and says why don't you guys have a drink, I'll be back in a second.

Luckily she knew the bartender and he didn't charge us, but I haven't broken the "no drinks for girls the first night I meet them" rule in a long time and have no intentions to.

[sublime]

" I think you need to find another chump

because I am going to south america where they will bang me for free. im a pimp!"

[Cosimo]

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Its also customary to buy a drink to get to know someone and chat...

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A custom that women like the OP has in mind are taking advantage of. If she's signifigantly out of your league, then you're being had. For a drink. She doesn't care if you're nice. She wants a man -- someone that will stand up for himself.

And why is there dating advice on this forum at all? There are better places for that.

[Cosimo]

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(to a sort've hot girl): "I'd rather stick my balls in a blender."

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This isn't a neg; it's an insult. Sure, you've been had, but your options aren't (1) play along, or (2) tell her to go f herself. A better option is (3) to make her want to buy you a drink. For sorta-hot and ultra-hot, negs can help here, but they've got to be subtle.

If you're barhopping, supplicating will get you nowhere. Unless it's a country-n-western club.

[Michael Davis]

"because I am going to south america where they will bang me for free. im a pimp!'

Actually, this a lame white guy move, not a pimp's move...

-Michael

[tdarko]

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If you're barhopping, supplicating will get you nowhere. Unless it's a country-n-western club.



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you obviously don't go to many dancehalls.

[morgan180]

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Good post.

However, you have to also look at the meta game situation here. If no guys bought drinks for hot bar sluts, then nobody would get to pipe them in a drunken stupor later in the night. So if a girl tries this on you, you might consider taking one for the team.

I can't say I get approached in this manner, maybe cause I live in a small town and a lot of people know me and know I have a girlfriend. However it's not for lack of going to bars, some of them kinda trendy/expensive.

NT

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this is an excellent example of next level thinking...

brilliant, in my opinion.

[imported_anacardo]

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If you're barhopping, supplicating will get you nowhere. Unless it's a country-n-western club.



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you obviously don't go to many dancehalls.

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I got one word for that:

Gruene.

[morgan180]

is this really a problem that runs rampant out there??? i mean the only time i'm buying drinks for a girl i don't know is if i'm hammered and buying them for everyone and i don't remember doing it or i've been talking to her for a while (back in the day.) i mean are you guys just going out with a shirt that says "sucker" on it?

[AsiaKurosawa]

I guess I still don't get it. The problem is you don't want to buy a girl a drink? What happens, she walks away after having one with you? (For reals, I don't know.)

Personally I'd shell out the $10 to have a hot chick flirt with me and perhaps my winning personality would make her want to stick around. I'm kinda hardup though.

I also rarely buy drinks (or did when I went to clubs)-- I'm not saying a guy has to buy me a drink to talk to me, but it's a really nice gesture. (vodka cran, if anyone's taking notes.) I've never approached a stranger with the intention of getting a drink though-- guess I don't know exactly what I could get away with /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Incidentally, I'd be hella shocked if something like the meanness in the OP rolled off of a guys tongue that I was talking to at a bar-- perhaps there are women who will whore themselves out for a drink (drunks?) but what happens when the girl who genuinely was interested is slapped with something like that? There's like, *no* chance then. I don't like no chance /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I guess I'm naive, eh?

[tdarko]

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I got one word for that:

Gruene.

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seen some great concerts at gruene hall. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Michael Davis]

Not totally naive, Asia, but you said yourself that you don't approach random guys. I think this described most women. So perhaps you can see that the type of personality that will approach guys will often abuse them.

-Michael

[touchfaith]

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I guess I still don't get it. The problem is you don't want to buy a girl a drink? What happens, she walks away after having one with you? (For reals, I don't know.)

Personally I'd shell out the $10 to have a hot chick flirt with me and perhaps my winning personality would make her want to stick around. I'm kinda hardup though.

I also rarely buy drinks (or did when I went to clubs)-- I'm not saying a guy has to buy me a drink to talk to me, but it's a really nice gesture. (vodka cran, if anyone's taking notes.) I've never approached a stranger with the intention of getting a drink though-- guess I don't know exactly what I could get away with /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Incidentally, I'd be hella shocked if something like the meanness in the OP rolled off of a guys tongue that I was talking to at a bar-- perhaps there are women who will whore themselves out for a drink (drunks?) but what happens when the girl who genuinely was interested is slapped with something like that? There's like, *no* chance then. I don't like no chance /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I guess I'm naive, eh?

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When the OP mentioned a 'new place', I assumed he was talking about the girl being a shill drumming up business for the place...

Other then that, I didn't get it either. Haven't witnessed it either...

Oh...but I don't go to bars

[tdarko]

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I guess I'm naive, eh?


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no not naive, sincere? maybe. genuine? maybe.

the OP is talking about the snooty chicks that have "another agenda" not girls that are cool and are out for the company of others and a good time.

[ggbman]

Instead of coming up with these elaborate schemes to prevent getting duped, i'll just focus on making more money so i can buy chicks drinks indiscriminantley... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[AsiaKurosawa]

So, they drink and leave? How's that work? "Uh, thanks-- bye..."? (serious?)

I've approached guys at bars before (usually already drunk, firewater'll knock shy out anyday), and have been to a fair share of different clubs/bars too and just haven't seen this happen except at strip clubs. (Perhaps its the type of place I guess, or San Francisco?) I also thought the op was about drumming up sales too at first.

Again though-- hot, aggressively forward chick wants me to buy her a drink, "okay!" (Yes I've bought my share for them, too.)

[TStoneMBD]

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Hey JV,

I think another good play would be just to cut them off at the start, and say, "Oh, this is the part where you approach me and act real friendly and then trick me into buying you a drink because I'm supposed to be some stupid guy who goes gaga over your slightly above average but nothing special looks, right? I think you need to find another chump."

-Michael

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you dont do this because a hot girl approached you. she might have actually been interested and now you just blew your chances. the key to this situation is to have some discussion with her for a little while and if she doesnt ask for a drink then you can offer. chuddo has the best solution to this problem because his response makes him come off as a serious player and rather than blow the opportunity to bang the hot chick, he may actually get her in the sack without having to buy her a drink at all.

[J_V]

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Personally I'd shell out the $10 to have a hot chick flirt with me and perhaps my winning personality would make her want to stick around. I'm kinda hardup though.

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I'm not hardup and don't want to pay $10 for my own drink. But more importantly, the fact that girls think they can use their looks to get stuff from me, annoys me. I'd buy a really nasty girl a double grey goose and red bull for trying.

[J_V]

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So, they drink and leave? How's that work? "Uh, thanks-- bye..."? (serious?)

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It might be a big city thing/club thing. But i've scene girls do this, and literally turn around and leave without saying bye or thanks for the drink or anything - and then laugh to each other. Pretty crazy.


And I apreciated the lesbianism.

[J_V]

It doesn't happen at your local watering hole, that was my point. Usually big expensive bars/clubs.

[J_V]

Money is not the issue here, DONNY!

[Popinjay]

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I'll make it short: don't buy her a drink. Don't offer to buy her a drink neither agree to her demands ("I'm thirsty..", "Will you buy me a drink?" etc). Here's why - if you do, you supplicate. And women have nothing but scorn and disrespect for supplicating men. Let me give a few examples to illustrate this.

Her (thinking "Let's see if I can hook this sucker:)"): "Will you buy me a drink?"
You (thinking "Oh boy am I in luck, this woman must like me, she's asking me to buy her a drink:)"): "Sure!"
Her (thinking "Ha! Another supplicating male to buy me a drink just because I asked him. What a wimp. Do they really all think I'm gonna go in bed with them for a bottle of beer? Jeez… I'll take my drink and continue searching for a REAL MAN."): "Thanks! You're so sweet! Bye now!:)"
You (confused): "Hey… wait! Um…?"

So even if she stays for say five or ten minutes and has a nice little chit-chat with you - you started with a crash and burn, you've already been crossed out in her book of prospective partners because you SUPPLICATED!

Offering to buy her a drink is even worse. You are voluntarily becoming a supplicator. The women will either refuse the drink (they want nothing to do with a wimp like you), accept the drink and then ignore you (they still want nothing to do with a wimp like you, but they wanted the drink) or - the more sensitive women will accept the drink and even stay with you but all the while feeling uncomfortable about it ("I accepted the drink, so I guess I should stay for a while, it would be rude to leave. But he must be thinking now, that if I accepted the drink and am staying with him, then there's some more in this for him. But there isn't! He's a supplicator! I don't want him! I'll have got to try to make my exit the moment the situation presents itself!"). And if she feels uncomfortable about being with you, do you think you stand a chance with her? Of course, you can turn the situation around for you if you're REALLY GOOD - but why make life harder for yourself?

So what to actually do if she gives you a "Will you buy me a drink?". If she seems to be actually interested in you - you have been having a conversation for a while and she uses the "buy me a drink" to test you ("So does this guy like me enough to buy me a drink?") or she is approaching you with the intention getting to know to you and just happens to use the most popular AFC-line ("Can I buy you a drink?") reversed ("Will you buy me a drink?") to initiate a conversation - then explain to her, that it is not your principle to buy drinks to women, but she could buy YOU a drink:) An example:

Her: "Will you buy me drink?"
You: "No. But you can buy me a drink:)"
Her (thinking "Argh… Gmph… He didn't supplicate! Could this be… a real man!? What's this, I'm getting wet!?"): "Am… um… Yes!"

If however she seems to be cruising, fishing for drinks and doesn't seem to care the least bit about you, telling her "No" would mean she'd just move on without listening to you any further and getting her drink from some chump eventually anyway. So you need to stop her cold in her tracks:) Here's an example from ASF:

Her: "Will you buy me a drink?"
You: "Give me a French kiss."

NOTE that the tongue play must be an explicit part of the bargain up front. None of this peck on the lips BULLSHIT, because you are still supplicating if you settle for that. Here's the beautiful part: If she says no, now SHE is the person who said "no" in the situation, instead of you! You don't have to be the "jerk" for turning her down. If she says yes, tongue-action and kino right away. Then get her a drink as a reward:) Note that she will probably demure before caving in, this is your chance to show personality and be playful. Go GM and Mr. Smooth on her right away!

"You aren't uptight are you? Don't you go out to have fun? We're having fun!:)"
"You like cool guys don't you? /images/graemlins/smile.gif"
"It's not hot sex or anything...just a little kiss!:)"

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[MCS]

Popinjay, you just posted the original text where I learned not to buy girls drinks. Thank goodness I read it before I was going to bars.

[AsiaKurosawa]

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And I apreciated the lesbianism.

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if im able to save one soul, its been worth it.

[ChipWrecked]

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It doesn't happen at your local watering hole, that was my point. Usually big expensive bars/clubs.

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I used to know a couple of chicks in Atlanta who did this all the time. They'd moan about how broke they were, then in the next breath they'd make plans to go out. I'd be like, "I thought you were so broke?" and they'd look at each other and laugh.

[thatpfunk]

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Her: "Will you buy me a drink?"
You: "Give me a French kiss."

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This is retarded. "Make out" is the only phrase that would ever get you anywhere.

[mike l.]

"Oh, this is the part where you approach me and act real friendly and then trick me into buying you a drink because I'm supposed to be some stupid guy who goes gaga over your slightly above average but nothing special looks, right? I think you need to find another chump."

has it crossed your mind there's a reason you never get laid??

[Michael Davis]

"
"Oh, this is the part where you approach me and act real friendly and then trick me into buying you a drink because I'm supposed to be some stupid guy who goes gaga over your slightly above average but nothing special looks, right? I think you need to find another chump."

has it crossed your mind there's a reason you never get laid??"

Sure, but the reason is more likely to be that when they come back to find me an hour later I tell them to f-off again instead of what I'm supposed to do.

-Michael

[fluorescenthippo]

on an unrelated note, i got my fake ID taken away tonight. [censored]

[Jman28]

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on an unrelated note, i got my fake ID taken away tonight. [censored]

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Hey I need a good one. Let's go looking for some together.

[bernie]

Why not just say, 'Yes. The first round is on you.'

If she wavers, just mention that she brought it up before you did. You were about to, but since she did, she gets the first one. Sorry honey, if you'd have just waited a few more minutes. Btw..I'll have a (insert drink here).

b

[bernie]

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Good post.

However, you have to also look at the meta game situation here. If no guys bought drinks for hot bar sluts, then nobody would get to pipe them in a drunken stupor later in the night. So if a girl tries this on you, you might consider taking one for the team.

I can't say I get approached in this manner, maybe cause I live in a small town and a lot of people know me and know I have a girlfriend. However it's not for lack of going to bars, some of them kinda trendy/expensive.

NT

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The trick is to not be the one buying them drinks, but benefitting from her being bought drinks. Not necesarily being bought by you. Later on in the night the better for this.

b

[Malachii]

Hot girl: "You want to get a drink?"
Man who knows how to get laid: "Sure, why don't you buy me one."

[Malachii]

Le Popinjay is a wise one, no doubt about it.

[jakethebake]

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"Do you wanna get drinks?!?!!?"

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Sure. Are you buying?

J_V, you should run a whole series of these educational threads.