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mcvalenc
08-17-2005, 04:12 PM
SB is 64.85/23.43/1.08/WtSD%49.35 in 239 hands. His only previous flop donk I saw from him was flopped trips HU.

BB is 38.17/24.95/2.06/WtSD%46.35 in 469 hands. Has some strange aggression postflop and is showdown-happy.

What's my flop line?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero...

CIncyHR
08-17-2005, 04:18 PM
Folding too weak?

DCWGaming
08-17-2005, 04:22 PM
I raise this 100% of the time.

But that might be a leak, so i dont know.

mcvalenc
08-17-2005, 04:22 PM
I was torn between calling and raising

mcvalenc
08-17-2005, 04:26 PM
My default in the past was to call this almost every time, and now I think THAT might be a leak. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Redd
08-17-2005, 04:36 PM
Given his VPIP, he's pretty aggressive postflop. How about calling and raising a non-diamond, non-broadway turn?

StellarWind
08-17-2005, 04:46 PM
It's probably positive immediate value to raise but you'll lose the value of the button on the turn. They'll check to you and you'll have to bet almost any turn to prevent a free card. Not fun at all so plan ahead.

Much better to call the flop and act last on the turn. Let SB push another bet through BB and then decide what to do. I plan to raise a safe or favorable turn for value, but all three options are open depending on developments.

jph0424
08-17-2005, 04:55 PM
Raise it up. You have a pretty strong hand. A lot of opponents will bet into you here with flush draws, weaker 9s, small pps, or even a 2. Your hand is most likely best right now so i like a raise.

wackjob
08-17-2005, 05:06 PM
Raise the turn when a blank falls. Your flop raise isnt doing much.. no one is going to fold.

mcvalenc
08-17-2005, 05:45 PM
I normally like the flop call/raise favorable turn, but I figured since I had the backdoor nut flush, a turn flush card wouldn't be as big of a concern. So I raised. Anyone think my A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif should affect my play at all?

FWIW, I believe my plan was to bet a blank turn and river, and calling down a flop 3bet unless things got ugly.

StellarWind
08-17-2005, 07:06 PM
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I normally like the flop call/raise favorable turn, but I figured since I had the backdoor nut flush, a turn flush card wouldn't be as big of a concern. So I raised.

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A diamond on the turn would be an asset.

So how would a K, Q, or T make you feel?

mcvalenc
08-17-2005, 07:21 PM
If both players called my flop raise, I'd lean towards checking if the turn was a non diamond T, Q, maybe a K or 8. Not sure if it's exactly right though. Meh... that's a lot of cards, now I'm thinking I should call and reevaluate on the turn.