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AllIn3High

08-17-2005, 03:34 PM

Villian is tricky and aggressive (20/4/3.25 after 1267 hands). I mostly try to avoid him but since he's a regular that's pretty hard. The few big pots we have played were:

* I raise w/ AKo, get 4 callers. Flop comes rags with 2 hearts. checked around. Turn 3'rd heart. He bets $40, I raise to $100 (i have A/images/graemlins/heart.gif), he re-raises to $300. I fold and he shows 66 no heart (EDIT: and no set/draw).

* I raise w/ KK. He calls in the BB. Flop is rags. Check-Bet-Call. Turn rag. Check-Bet-Small raise. I call. River K. He had flopped a set and i bust him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$400) (10 handed) link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

UTG ($372.80)
UTG+1 ($305.00)
Villian ($462.60)
MP1 ($1719.20)
MP2 ($331.85)
MP3 ($218.20)
CO ($623.40)
Button ($310.40)
Hero ($830.30)
BB ($283.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $4.00, 1 folds, Villian calls $4.00, 2 folds, MP3 calls $4.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $20.00, BB calls $16.00, 1 folds, Villian calls $16.00, 1 folds.

Flop: ($68.00) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $45.00, BB folds, Villian raises to $100.00, Hero calls $55.00.

Turn: ($268.00) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $125.00

Good? (Giving up to any resistance ofcourse)

I'd play AA/KK the same way and he probably knows it.

djoyce003

08-17-2005, 03:55 PM

I like it...you know he's agressive and will bluff though is the only problem. What are your plans if he raises your turn bet? Let it go? He's most likely drawing at something or has a pocket pair...i seriously doubt that he has a queen.

jkkkk

08-17-2005, 03:58 PM

I like it, although if he pushes, what % of the time do you think he will be on a draw?

I assume your going to fold if he pushes.

ScottTheFish

08-17-2005, 04:00 PM

I like it. He'd be pretty ballsy to raise you again without a Q, IMO.

If he just calls and a blank hits the river, I'd check/call a reasonable bet on the strong chance he's betting his missed draw.

AllIn3High

08-17-2005, 04:45 PM

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I like it...you know he's agressive and will bluff though is the only problem. What are your plans if he raises your turn bet?

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Fold. I've put in half my stack and have basicly told I have a very good hand I'm committed to (I'm not committed, but he has no way of knowing this). I'll have to give him credit for a better hand.

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Let it go? He's most likely drawing at something or has a pocket pair...i seriously doubt that he has a queen.

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My thinking exactly. I could have re-raised the flop, but that commits me just as much and he might decide to push w/ a heart draw/bluff and I'll have a hard time calling that. Or he could have me smoked and I'll loose my entire stack.

He's testing me on the flop. I take his test and see a blank turn (so he won't have so much equity with a possible heart draw) and put HIM to the test. I think $125 is a good amount since it's not a ridiculous underbet, he can't call it with just hearts and it's just big enough to signal "i'm going all the way with this hand", without actually being potcomitted if he pushes.

If he just calls I plan on spiking a J on the river.

AllIn3High

08-17-2005, 07:54 PM

He folded. Yay.

DoomSlice

08-17-2005, 09:08 PM

Everything fine up until the turn... which then becomes the worst way possible to play it, especially if you're folding to a raise.

Check-raise all in is a better line in my opinion. Leading half pot gives him odds with hearts and stops him from making another bluff (and if he got really ballsy he'd raise as a bluff and you'd fold).

Basically a turn lead stops him from playing the hand incorrectly.

beset7

08-17-2005, 09:59 PM

Umm. Maybe if you had a good read on the villain (i.e. 23so tight he won't draw to a flush on a paired board) a turn lead is good but you are giving the flush draw odds to draw. If I was going to lead it'd be bigger or I'd just c/r all-in.

AllIn3High

08-17-2005, 10:27 PM

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Umm. Maybe if you had a good read on the villain (i.e. 23so tight he won't draw to a flush on a paired board) a turn lead is good but you are giving the flush draw odds to draw. If I was going to lead it'd be bigger or I'd just c/r all-in.

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c/r all-in is a very bad plan against this Villian. He's not betting the turn w/ a flush draw. He's only betting if I'm toast. The point of my stop&go is to prevent him from bluffing/semi-bluffing me out of the pot with a worse hand.
Even if he is sometimes betting the turn with a worse hand than mine I'm gonna feel pretty sick about calling $200 here (or check/raising all-in) when he could possibly be holding a hand that beats me. With my line it costs $125 to see if he has me beat.

And I don't see how he's getting correct odds to call with a flush draw. He has 7 (or 8 if we count the 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif) outs to complete the flush and he's only getting around 3-1 and I'm not putting any more money in the put if he calls and the river is a heart.