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swolfe
08-17-2005, 01:07 PM
Villain is like 13/2. he's only raising AA-QQ

I have about $1.2K he has a full buy-in of around $400.

$2/$4

Folds to Villain who makes it $12. Folds to me, I call in the BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif8/images/graemlins/heart.gif

Flop $26 - 8/images/graemlins/club.gif2/images/graemlins/spade.gif8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I check, Villain checks

Turn $26 - 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif

I bet $25, Villain minraises to $50, I push
snappo
08-17-2005, 01:08 PM
I don't like the turn push. What hands call you that you beat?
xorbie
08-17-2005, 01:09 PM
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Villain is like 13/2. he's only raising AA-QQ

I have about $1.2K he has a full buy-in of around $400.

$2/$4

Folds to Villain who makes it $12. Folds to me, I call in the BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif8/images/graemlins/heart.gif

Flop $26 - 8/images/graemlins/club.gif2/images/graemlins/spade.gif8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I check, Villain checks

Turn $26 - 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif

I bet $25, Villain minraises to $50, I push

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If he's not raising AK, then bet the flop and don't stop until the money is in the middle (usually he will put it in, but you might have to).
xorbie
08-17-2005, 01:10 PM
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I don't like the turn push. What hands call you that you beat?

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He has the effective nuts right now. AA, KK and QQ are what we are hoping will call.
Ghazban
08-17-2005, 01:11 PM
6-max or full?

In either case, villain must be both a rock and an idiot for this push to have positive expectation.
swolfe
08-17-2005, 01:15 PM
i should have bet the flop
swolfe
08-17-2005, 01:15 PM
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6-max or full?

[/ QUOTE ]full

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In either case, villain must be both a rock and an idiot for this push to have positive expectation.

[/ QUOTE ]one and the same, no? /images/graemlins/smile.gif
vulturesrow
08-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Overpairs, which is what the weak-tight raiser is representing. The big question here is the guy a weak tight that cant get away from his overpairs. Most cant in my experience. I think its a good push.
swolfe
08-17-2005, 01:18 PM
i probably shouldn't have pushed...but i don't like getting minraised /images/graemlins/wink.gif
snappo
08-17-2005, 01:21 PM
my mistake, haven't had my caffeine yet.

"Villain is like 13/2. he's only raising AA-QQ". Missed that.
vulturesrow
08-17-2005, 01:24 PM
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i should have bet the flop

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Bad swolfe.
AllIn3High
08-17-2005, 01:25 PM
Lead the flop for the pot. Bet 2/3'rd pot on the turn, hope he puts in a raise somewhere. He's not folding AA-QQ on the flop nor turn just because you're leading into him - hopefuly he'll put you on a 99-JJ/steal.

EDIT: as you played it, I'd call his min-raise and lead any river for 2/3 pot. I think that's the best line to extract from him. Maybe min-raising him back and the betting the river is also a possibilty.
djoyce003
08-17-2005, 01:28 PM
well it depends on if he's weak/tight but can't fold AA...I take notes on guys that can't fold AA or KK no matter how obvious it is that they are beat. If he's in this group, I like the push because he's calling.

If he's true weak/tight your bet is horrible because he's folding.

The one thing you have going for you is that villain probably thinks that this is the last way someone would play an 8.
ScottTheFish
08-17-2005, 02:09 PM
If he's really weak/tight, how can he call this push? I agree you should have led the flop. That way even if he just calls down pot size bets you can most/all of his stack in.
george w of poker
08-17-2005, 04:51 PM
why are you calling with this hand oop against this opponent?
swolfe
08-17-2005, 04:59 PM
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why are you calling with this hand oop against this opponent?

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because i know what he has and there's no way i'm going to lose money if he's beating me?
Ghazban
08-17-2005, 05:01 PM
Did you actually get paid off here? In my experience, most people who are that rockish are also fairly cautious postflop and don't go broke with overpairs (which makes it real easy to steal pots from them even when you don't make a big luckbox suckout on the flop).
08-17-2005, 05:47 PM
Lost my temper to a minraise the other day, too, and it cost me some coin. Blind v. Blind, I'm in the small with 86, called the bb who checked. Flop came 884. Bet 1, minraised to 3 by BB; I reraised to $30, and chat-boxed--"now fold, fish." He did, and I kicked myself for the next 20 minutes.

Anyway, I think the "weak" part of "weak-tight" means this guy can, more often than not, fold his overpair, especially to a board like this with an obvious set potential showing.