Limp Wristed Underfull on Flush Board

[fimbulwinter]

I'm getting hosed lately on underfulls. This weak or ok?

everyone relevant is at 1.5K effective.

I limp UTG with 99, three more tight/passive fish limp behind, blinds come along.

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checked all around

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I lead for 60, called in two places behind me

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I check, villain 1 bets 150, villain 2 raises to 300, I fold.

eh?

fim

[TheWorstPlayer]

Not leading that river makes no sense to me.

[JKratzer]

well played

JKratzer

[Ulysses]

I would not check-fold there for 300.

[xorbie]

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[AZK]

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check to let a worse hand bet, cause betting then getting raised sucks?

[RollaJ]

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[CamelZoo]

as aggressively as you seem to play i am surprised that you laid this down, you'd have to put the limpers squarely on AJ or AQ - i interpret the minraise as an ace who thinks he has a better kicker (maybe AT or A9) than original riv raiser. i'd call, and my only discomfort would be a RR from villain 1.

ps this isn't 6 max is it?

[xorbie]

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check to let a worse hand bet, cause betting then getting raised sucks?

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We have tight/passive fish in the hand, and we are afraid of getting raised by a worse hand? They aren't going to be raising with just an A, they probably won't be raising with any flush except maybe the nuts but will certainly call a bet with both if they called the turn.

I honestly don't see how anything other than bet/fold to a raise is the best line here.

[TheWorstPlayer]

This was my exact thinking. These guys don't seem to be the type to raise with trips on a paired, flushed board. But they do seem to be the type to call with trips or a flush on a paired, flushed board. So why not bet? If someone min-raises, maybe call because it could be a flush or whatever, but fold to a real raise.

[luckOverSkill]

I think it's weak.

I would have led out on the river... I can definitely see myself insta calling a min raise to get to a showdown... if you get raised and then reraised after your initial bet, well yeah I can contemplate a fold... but not until then.

[fimbulwinter]

this is an interesting thing to think about:

when i bet and am called by two tight players behind me, i cannot think of two logical hands they could hold where i'm still ahead. AJ and AQ are favorite limping weakie hands, and both beat me.

basically i decided that i'd check/call the river, then saw the action and knew that MP had a good chance of repushing and decided to fold.

fim

[fimbulwinter]

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does the fact that i am not closing the action weigh in here?

fim

[etizzle]

a) we lose to A9
b) no one is raising the river here with AT, their kicker does not even play

[fimbulwinter]

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check to let a worse hand bet, cause betting then getting raised sucks?

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I'm not willing to call a big raise and i think a PSB is going in here no matter who makes it. If i make it, i may get donked off my hand, if he makes it i get a showdown every time and might even get a bluff at such a scary board.

fim

[TheWorstPlayer]

I was under the impression that 'passive fish' would be calling with losing hands much more often than they would be betting them here.

[CamelZoo]

yes you are correct i am an idiot, ty

[fimbulwinter]

I fold, MP villain raises all-in, LP villain calls MP has AQ.

probably being results oriented here, but i really don't see this as that easy a call.

fim

[etizzle]

nh sir, I think the check check check on the flop gives away a lot of info against bad opponents, especially when they start minraising later streets.

[savman]

i had almost this exact situation (mine was hu) with 33 5/10 6max with a major donkaroo in the hand and i took check call line on riv for same reason. didnt want to get donked off my hand and i would have kicked myself in the nuts if i called a monster bet (player had overbet tendenacies) with an underfull. for the record good thing i did.