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kongo_totte
08-17-2005, 10:27 AM
Villian is 50/18 after 50 hands and quite aggressive post-flop aswell. I haven't seen him to anything completely donktastic though.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 ($16.60)
CO ($65.80)
Button ($46.35)
SB ($43)
BB ($57.98)
UTG ($85.80)
Hero ($68.10)
UTG+2 ($64.40)
MP1 ($58.75)
MP2 ($69.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $2, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP1 calls $7, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($22) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $15</font>, Hero calls $15.

River: ($52) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>

Is it right to let him bet it for me on the turn, or should I just valuebet vs. the lag?

fuzzbox
08-17-2005, 10:39 AM
Are you planning to call a push on the end ?

I dont mind check/call, but if I check/call turn then I usually check/call river too. We dont want to scare him if he has QQ.

kongo_totte
08-17-2005, 10:45 AM
I intended to fold to a river push (am I going to be flamed for this?). With his VP$IP, he could just as easila have K 2 as Q Q.

fuzzbox
08-17-2005, 10:47 AM
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I intended to fold to a river push (am I going to be flamed for this?). With his VP$IP, he could just as easila have K 2 as Q Q.

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I dont think that betting 15 will stop him from pushing if he is bluffing - do you ?

It would make me *more* likely to push as a bluff.

Ghazban
08-17-2005, 10:58 AM
I hate the size of your river bet. After check/calling the turn, I'd probably check/call the river. Alternatively, I bet the turn and check/call the river. Leading the river so weakly is just asking a LAG to bluffraise you.

kongo_totte
08-17-2005, 11:09 AM
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Leading the river so weakly is just asking a LAG to bluffraise you.

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Then, the right play should be to lead semi-weakly as I did and call a push, shouldn't it.

Actually, I had not really decided if I would call or fold to a push on the river, which of course is bad.

jkkkk
08-17-2005, 11:20 AM
I lead each street with someone that is this loose, theres a good chance he will call down with Kx

xorbie
08-17-2005, 11:22 AM
Limp reraise PF? Mmmmm. Works for more often with KK though.

Ghazban
08-17-2005, 11:23 AM
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Leading the river so weakly is just asking a LAG to bluffraise you.

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Then, the right play should be to lead semi-weakly as I did and call a push, shouldn't it.

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Or make a normal sized bet (1/2 pot or so) and call a push or check/call any bet. Against a loose player, you will certainly be good often enough to put the money in on this river. The effective stack depths at this point make it a must-showdown hand. If you both had $200 behind, the river could be more interesting.

djoyce003
08-17-2005, 11:26 AM
I would lead a little more than you did for value with the intention of calling a push.

kongo_totte
08-17-2005, 11:35 AM
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Limp reraise PF? Mmmmm. Works for more often with KK though.

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I have given up the limp-raise at the NL50, unless the table is full of very LAGGY players. Just don't see any reason for it since EP-raises often get called anyway.

xorbie
08-17-2005, 11:38 AM
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Limp reraise PF? Mmmmm. Works for more often with KK though.

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I have given up the limp-raise at the NL50, unless the table is full of very LAGGY players. Just don't see any reason for it since EP-raises often get called anyway.

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Playing OOP against a bunch of people when you can trap PF calls against a LAG is less than optimal though.

kongo_totte
08-17-2005, 11:48 AM
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Limp reraise PF? Mmmmm. Works for more often with KK though.

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I have given up the limp-raise at the NL50, unless the table is full of very LAGGY players. Just don't see any reason for it since EP-raises often get called anyway.

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Playing OOP against a bunch of people when you can trap PF calls against a LAG is less than optimal though.

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I see your point, but the times I have tried limp-raising in NL50, I have put myself in alot of ugly spots. The rest of the table was pretty passive, so I could not really count on a raise if I limped.

kongo_totte
08-17-2005, 12:58 PM
Anyway, he called the river and had K To and MHIG.

swolfe
08-17-2005, 01:09 PM
my preference is to lead the turn and check/call the river