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08-17-2005, 02:15 AM
I felt that the turn bet on the two was a little strange...thought he was trying to take the pot away from me, unless he had checked a big ace on the flop (or big pair, fearing an ace).

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks.

Turn: (2.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
macdaddy991
08-17-2005, 02:17 AM
Check fold the turn. Even if you are ahead, there are at least 6 cards that will help him. If you are behind, you are only going to lose more bets. The pot is small.
PokerSparky
08-17-2005, 02:18 AM
Without a good read on villain, I check/fold every street.
hemstock
08-17-2005, 02:19 AM
Fold it everytime.
08-17-2005, 02:20 AM
Why else would he check the flop and call a turn raise on a blank unless he totally missed the flop?
PokerSparky
08-17-2005, 02:22 AM
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Why else would he check the flop and call a turn raise on a blank unless he totally missed the flop?

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Because he's playing 99-KK like a little girl.
Eeegah
08-17-2005, 02:22 AM
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Why else would he check the flop and call a turn raise on a blank unless he totally missed the flop?

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TT, JJ, QQ, KK and slowplayed 99 and AA all come to mind.
08-17-2005, 02:24 AM
Or he's playing KTs like a loose calling station...
macdaddy991
08-17-2005, 02:29 AM
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Or he's playing KTs like a loose calling station...

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If you are basing the quality of your play on the fact that he did indeed have KT, then you are making a fundamental error. Results have a way of clouding our thinking so that we assume that we should always do the same thing in that situation. There are many more times when he will have something that beats you and you will lose bets. The posters here are giving you advice based on theory, not on the fact that he MIGHT be calling down with K high UI. I think you made 2 fundamental mistakes in this hand.

Smaller of the 2: calling pf
Bigger of the 2 : doing anything other then check folding

Ya you won, but continue to play like this, and you will hemmorage a lot of chips.
08-17-2005, 02:34 AM
To any flop action, I'm folding. But the way he played that hand indicated, to me at least, that he missed it. I didn't have a read on him, but most raisers who hit a flop will bet at it.
macdaddy991
08-17-2005, 02:43 AM
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To any flop action, I'm folding. But the way he played that hand indicated, to me at least, that he missed it. I didn't have a read on him, but most raisers who hit a flop will bet at it.

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I still think it is spewing
Eeegah
08-17-2005, 02:46 AM
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To any flop action, I'm folding. But the way he played that hand indicated, to me at least, that he missed it. I didn't have a read on him, but most raisers who hit a flop will bet at it.

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I don't think you're getting away with this often enough to risk 3 bets to win 4.75.
08-17-2005, 02:47 AM
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To any flop action, I'm folding. But the way he played that hand indicated, to me at least, that he missed it. I didn't have a read on him, but most raisers who hit a flop will bet at it.

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I don't think you're getting away with this often enough to risk 3 bets to win 4.75.

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And I've never done it before. I felt the situation was perfect and was curious if anyone else would do this.
Sykes
08-17-2005, 07:34 AM
No. And I hate playing small pp up front in a tight game.
08-17-2005, 11:41 AM
Haven't read the other responses yet...

This is the same type of hand that I have trouble with. I think you should fold to the turn bet, if only because the pot is so small and you're losing to pretty much any real hand. Even a realistic hand you're beating (hard to think of one... maybe Jh Th?) has a ton of outs to beat you. I hope I would just fold when the pot is so small.
eviljeff
08-17-2005, 11:46 AM
this play is totally read dependent. a lot of normally aggressive opponents will get cute and check this flop with AA-AT. I don't like the turn c/r here unless you think he's capable of folding a better pp. same with the river bet.