Getting tricky with under pair.

[kongo_totte]

PFR I have a note on as a 2+2:er. I have seen him do some weird stuff though. He got stacked a couple of orbits ago w/ TP jack kicker. He is like 17/2 after 500+ hands. I don't really have a read on BB.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($77.80)
BB ($51.65)
Hero ($86.20)
UTG+1 ($53.55)
MP1 ($16.45)
MP2 ($11.50)
MP3 ($80.70)
CO ($22.21)
Button ($80.47)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, CO folds.

Flop: ($9.75) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($9.75) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, Button folds, BB calls $7.

River: ($23.75) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>.....

Thoughts?

[yvesaint]

I think if you're going to bluff this river, it has to be at least half pot.

[kongo_totte]

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I think if you're going to bluff this river, it has to be at least half pot.

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I have reasons for betting so small. I'll tell them after a few replies.

[stu-unger]

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River: ($23.75) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 12+ or checks behind

i dont mind the line but i think i bet more on the river or check behind and take the free showdown.

Thoughts?

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[GoCubsGo]

I agree with stu. I don't like betting $7 again on the river. If he was drawing on 4th street, he folds to your bet. If he had a made hand, he's not folding to the same amount he just called on the turn.

[kongo_totte]

No. But a hand like K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6x, K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 7x folds. Even K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 9x might fold. And this only has to happen 23%-ish of the time.

[stu-unger]

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No. But a hand like K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6x, K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 7x folds. Even K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 9x might fold. And this only has to happen 23%-ish of the time.

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i dont disagree with your logic but i think that u can pretty much fold all hands that r better than yours that don't bet this river for another nickel. plus i dont see any 9 folding to this bet.

[Mercman572]

what are you trying to represent that you would limp call with other than a low PP? if he's a 2+2'er he knows you preflop range. would you play a SC like this? or would you need better position?

[ajmargarine]

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No. But a hand like K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6x, K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 7x folds. Even K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 9x might fold. And this only has to happen 23%-ish of the time.

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I agree with the others. I think you have to "value bet your flush" for half pot. With your small river bet you are not saying that you have a flush, but rather you are declaring that you have a one pair hand likely to be 6x, 7x, 9x. Villian may look you up here for a smallish bet, but fold to something that looks like it's coming from a flush. JMO, but fire a legit second bullet here and take it down most of the time.

[kongo_totte]

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what are you trying to represent that you would limp call with other than a low PP? if he's a 2+2'er he knows you preflop range. would you play a SC like this? or would you need better position?

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Note that PFR is the 2+2:er and I lost him on the turn. I don't care what he puts me on on the turn. I firmly put him on missed overs and think he'll fold those missed overs to a turn bet.

I agree with you though. Agaisnt smart opponents I have difficulties disguising my hand when I limp-call pre.flop and give action post-flop since it's a set 99% of the time. Fortunately, most players aren't smart and I get paid off pretty good with my sets in general.

[kongo_totte]

I sometimes valuebet ridicoulusly small if I can put my opponent on a hand with good certanity and I think he'll call 1/5 of pot and not more.

EDIT: You can semi-disregard this post since I found leeks in my argument.

[kongo_totte]

On a 2nd thought, I think I'll take stu-ungars line next time. Betting more like $12.

Anyway, villian thought for a while, then folded, whatever that means.

Thanks everyone

[wtfsvi]

He folded the naked A /images/graemlins/heart.gif.

Bet makes no sense to me.

EDIT: Only good thing that can come out of that bet against an unknown is you'll get looked up by AK/AQ.