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08-16-2005, 08:51 PM

That's what I did. SB's flop 4-bet pretty much freaked me out.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

sublime

08-16-2005, 08:52 PM

you need to raise that river

baronzeus

08-16-2005, 08:54 PM

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Ever river a flush and just call?

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Not on this board.

peterchi

08-16-2005, 08:56 PM

You can raise this pre-flop usually.

If I were that scared by the flop cap, I'd be folding the turn. But I'm not doing that, so yeah I'm raising this river.

Dave5511

08-16-2005, 08:58 PM

Hmm....paired board, 5th nut flush draw....am I the only one who doesn't like the 3 bet on the flop?

I do think you should raise/call the river. But boy, 5th nut flush, straight flush possible, paired board and 3 way action.

Am I the only one who thinks, based on the action here, you're gonna win fewer of these than you lose?

GoHoosiers

08-16-2005, 08:59 PM

This looks fine. Do NOT raise the river, especially with BB (who called 3 on the flop !?!) in there. Higher flush is possible - remote, but possible. We are behind several hands here with an OBVIOUS flush & boat on the board.

Rich

08-16-2005, 09:08 PM

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Hmm....paired board, 5th nut flush draw....am I the only one who doesn't like the 3 bet on the flop?

Am I the only one who thinks, based on the action here, you're gonna win fewer of these than you lose?

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I agree, cold-call the flop is fine. 5th nut flush is a little weak to be trying to get a free card/build the pot. When SB caps it, he either has a massive draw or a full house. When he bets on the river into multiple players on an obvious flush, I don't see how you can raise with 5th nut flush.

sublime

08-16-2005, 09:17 PM

When SB caps it, he either has a massive draw or a full house.

or any card containing a 4. or an OESFD that we just outdrew.

the BB seems to suck, raise the river and at least give the SB the chance to just call it and the BB to call. if he has the boat, he 3-bets and maybe the BB calls anyways. if he has a bigger flush he probably fears the boat and calls, giving the BB a chance to overcall with whatever. if he has some non boat 4, then we make two bets (which is probably the most common occurance)

elindauer

08-16-2005, 09:57 PM

You are clearly beating the BB. SB may have you beat, but he can also hold just about any 4. Getting 2:1 you're giving up too much be just calling.

my 2 cents.
Eric

synthtrance

08-16-2005, 10:15 PM

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You can raise this pre-flop usually.

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Not necessarily. At party 2/4, you're going to get people calling with all sorts of cards so there isn't much need to build a big pot preflop to entice calls.

Justin A

08-16-2005, 10:47 PM

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You can raise this pre-flop usually.

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Not necessarily. At party 2/4, you're going to get people calling with all sorts of cards so there isn't much need to build a big pot preflop to entice calls.

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Think about equity and the button.

peterchi

08-16-2005, 11:06 PM