$22 4 hands and bubbled out- How many mistakes

[Geordie Ramone]

I feel like I couldnt have played this any worse

<font color="red"> my thinking </font>
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14880009 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 16, 00:41:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 13778 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: coukeezy ( $3488 )
Seat 5: ChipThirsty ( $285 )
Seat 8: ggramone ( $900 )
Seat 10: Kaboomba ( $3327 )
Trny:14880009 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ggramone [ Ad Jc ]
ChipThirsty folds.
ggramone folds.
Kaboomba folds.
coukeezy does not show cards.
coukeezy wins 450 chips
<font color="red"> AJ onthe button, tiny stack, I wimped out but didnt like it </font>


NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14880009 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 16, 00:41:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 13778 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: coukeezy ( $3638 )
Seat 5: ChipThirsty ( $285 )
Seat 8: ggramone ( $900 )
Seat 10: Kaboomba ( $3177 )
Trny:14880009 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ggramone [ Ah 7d ]
ggramone is all-In [900]
Kaboomba folds.
coukeezy folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 3d, 4d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
ggramone shows [ Ah, 7d ] a pair of aces.
ChipThirsty shows [ 2d, 4h ] a straight, ace to five.
ggramone wins 615 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
ChipThirsty wins 720 chips from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.
<font color="red"> OK so I fold AJ on the button, but push A7 UTG. I was thinking I probably had tiny beat, and if anybody else called I would only bubble if tiny won and I came third. Now I dont know </font>



NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14880009 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 16, 00:41:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 13778 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: coukeezy ( $3488 )
Seat 5: ChipThirsty ( $720 )
Seat 8: ggramone ( $615 )
Seat 10: Kaboomba ( $3177 )
Trny:14880009 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ggramone [ Qc 7d ]
Kaboomba folds.
coukeezy folds.
ChipThirsty folds.
ggramone does not show cards.
ggramone wins 450 chips
<font color="red"> I played this pretty well /images/graemlins/cool.gif </font>

***** Hand History for Game 2543129601 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14880009 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 16, 00:42:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 13778 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: coukeezy ( $3488 )
Seat 5: ChipThirsty ( $570 )
Seat 8: ggramone ( $765 )
Seat 10: Kaboomba ( $3177 )
Trny:14880009 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ggramone [ 6s Ks ]
coukeezy folds.
ChipThirsty folds.
ggramone is all-In [615]
Kaboomba calls [465].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, Jd, Td ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
ggramone shows [ 6s, Ks ] two pairs, kings and sixes.
Kaboomba shows [ Qs, Qd ] three of a kind, queens.
Kaboomba wins 1530 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.
ggramone finished in fourth place.
ggramone has left the table.

<font color="red"> OK so Ive got a bigger stack than tiny and the blinds hit him first, but folding seemed so weak </font>

[Xenod]

I really think you gotta push that AJ in the first hand. Yeah, the tiny stack is gonna be all-in on the next hand, but you're not really that much better off than him.


If he manages to double up on the next hand he'll have almost as many chips as you. There's 450 in the blinds, you've got a great hand for 4-handed poker PUSH!

[11t]

I push hand 1 but I suck at poker. 3xbb and AJos is too good to fold. If shorty wins the race you are going to be in a world of hurt.

hand 2 is a fold, you have a7os UTG with a short stack all in. Let the other stacks race with him and maybe you can fold a really awful bb.

hand 3 yay i guess

hand 4 folding here is atrocious.

I think the only really big mistake was hand #1.

[Geordie Ramone]

The thing about stealing in the blinds in hand one is even if succesful I am still way behind in third, and I am going to feel a right idiot when biggie calls the 600 and I go out with the shortie all in on the bb

[GtrHtr]

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The thing about stealing in the blinds in hand one is even if succesful I am still way behind in third, and I am going to feel a right idiot when biggie calls the 600 and I go out with the shortie all in on the bb

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This hand will likely double you up. Push this all day and the next. If all you do is steal, so be it but you want to have the big stack call your push in this case and AJ vs J3s or QTo is pretty well ahead.

You are very likely way ahead. So if he calls you will probably double up and be in good position to win the tourney or at least finish second. If he folds (most likely...it is still a 2x+ BB raise) then you are rock solid for third. If by some small chance he beats you with a better hand or a suckout then you just need to tip your hat. In any event pushing definitely has positive value. And it isn't guaranteed that the short stack is eliminated next hand anyway.

[AKQJ10]

I'm not convinced you misplayed #1. I think you're much better off with the tiny stack playing a random hand than with you playing a good hand, but one that's still only 2:1 against something like Q2o. This seems like a textbook case of "counterintuitive" bubble play (but then I don't play $20s and maybe this shows why I shouldn't be).

4 was just bad luck; the one hand remaining happened to be a monster that hit to become an even bigger monster.

[jgunnip]

Yeah, this sucks. EVen though there is a shorty, I push the first hand. I'm still looking to win at this point and those t450 are ripe for picking. Second hand, boo, let the big stacks knock out shorty. If you had pushed AJ then on the forth hand your decision is much easy (fold). However, in your instance it is a push, sucks he woke up with a real hand.

Sometimes I think we worry too much about waiting for the shorty to bust that we end up just screwing ourselves over when they do double up. If the blinds had been 100/200, I might consider passing up on the AJ, but not at level 7.

[petvan]

One. First you should push. Rest look like bad beat stories to me.

[fisherman112]

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I'm not convinced you misplayed #1. I think you're much better off with the tiny stack playing a random hand than with you playing a good hand, but one that's still only 2:1 against something like Q2o.

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im not convinced you have any idea how to play 4 handed with high blinds.
easy, easy push at 150/300 with 900 chips left.

[Geordie Ramone]

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One. First you should push. Rest look like bad beat stories to me.

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Jeez tough crowd, I hadnt even considered them bad beats
Any chance of looking harder and handing out advice rather than lame insults. I'm much more concerned about my preflop play than losing.

[AKQJ10]

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im not convinced you have any idea how to play 4 handed with high blinds.
easy, easy push at 150/300 with 900 chips left.

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I in fact know I have no clue about bubble play, which is why I'm trying to spend more time on this forum learning to play sit-and-gos. There's no need to be a smart ass about it; I post my ideas because, even if they're wrong, I learn something from the process.

So I'm inferring that it's the high blinds that make this not a "textbook" bubble fold?