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Karak567
08-16-2005, 02:38 PM
But I didn't do it.

Am I an idiot for just taking the minute or so I did to consider it?

***** Hand History for Game 2545336338 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14891852 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, August 16, 14:34:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 11068 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tedoyboli ( $970 )
Seat 2: KardonSeph ( $790 )
Seat 3: RivRon ( $355 )
Seat 4: yopab23 ( $1100 )
Seat 5: jcl09 ( $720 )
Seat 6: badabom ( $750 )
Seat 7: bneik ( $1040 )
Seat 8: herefishes11 ( $675 )
Seat 9: Full_X_Grind ( $800 )
Seat 10: Magik4678 ( $800 )
Trny:14891852 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to KardonSeph [ Ac As ]
bneik calls [15].
>You have options at Table 12183 Table!.
herefishes11 calls [15].
Full_X_Grind folds.
Magik4678 folds.
tedoyboli folds.
>You have options at Table 12773 Table!.
KardonSeph raises [75].
RivRon folds.
yopab23 folds.
jcl09 calls [65].
badabom folds.
>You have options at Table 12183 Table!.
bneik folds.
herefishes11 calls [60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Qc, Jc ]
jcl09 checks.
herefishes11 bets [250].
KardonSeph is all-In [715]

Myst
08-16-2005, 02:39 PM
Uh, it may be an undercard flop, but thats not a great flop for AA.

octaveshift
08-16-2005, 02:42 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Uh, it may be an undercard flop, but thats not a great flop for AA.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, that's easily one of the worst possible flops for AA.

You should fold, and then pat yourself on the back for making a Hellmuthian laydown.

(Villan only had A high, but that's OK. You are awesome!)

Karak567
08-16-2005, 02:42 PM
Oh I know.

But what line do you follow?

Check/fold?

I don't put anyone on AK.

TJ? QJ?

schwza
08-16-2005, 02:43 PM
pretty scary flop, but no way you can fold. i'd consider folding if it were JT9 2-tone, but i wouldn't fold that either.

gumpzilla
08-16-2005, 02:43 PM
No, but I'm not laying down here to the action you've seen so far. It's pretty unlikely that you're up against AK, so I don't think the straight is out there. Two pair hands are more likely than other times because of this board, but you'll have straight outs, aces and counterfeit outs against those. You also have the backdoor nut flush draw. So you have plenty of outs against the most likely hands that beat you, and have substantial chances of still being ahead. I'm pretty happy with this push. (EDIT: Push because you don't want to give free cards to a K or have your action get killed by a variety of other cards.)

bjb23
08-16-2005, 02:43 PM
with just one opponent on the flop, there is just no way id lay this down. instapush.

now, if there were two other players on the flop, i think id have to vomit because this flop is so horrible. given reads, i might lay this down in that case.

schwza
08-16-2005, 02:44 PM
against any 2pr you have a ton of outs.

nWirb
08-16-2005, 07:12 PM
Even if he has QJ here you are ~42% to win.
I also push and prepare to get sucked out on.

lastchance
08-16-2005, 07:17 PM
If there was a bet and raise in front of you on the flop, you very well could lay this down in the $109's.

There's one bet to you in the $33's.

Push.