98s - Did I Play This Right?

[666shooter]

UTG is a fish (loose passive-passive), SB is semi-loose passive, and BB is tight-aggressive passive.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

The table was passive enough I figured this was playable.

Flop: (4 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

UTG probably has an Ax, might have hit two pair...I figured I'm getting odds here, so I called. BB raising is interesting, might have Ax as well. I call.

Turn: (6 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

BB bets again...I raise with the flush. SB c/r is bad news, he played this hand like he was drawing as well. I want to fold but I decide to call this down.

River: (13 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB


Your thoughts?

[Online247]

I would've 3-betted that flop.

[benkath1]

I hate getting check raised like that, and flush over flush sucks, but is rare, so I'd call down too.

nh

[deception5]

I would 3-bet the flop. Rest I play the same.

[benkath1]

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I would've 3-betted that flop.

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Why? What would that accomplish?

[Online247]

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I would've 3-betted that flop.

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Why? What would that accomplish?

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for value.

[deception5]

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Why? What would that accomplish?

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We make a flush around 35% of the time here (and maybe 1 time in 30 lose to a better flush/full house/etc).. If the flop is capped 4 ways we are making a ton of money here.

[benkath1]

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Why? What would that accomplish?

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We make a flush around 35% of the time here (and maybe 1 time in 30 lose to a better flush/full house/etc).. If the flop is capped 4 ways we are making a ton of money here.

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Thank you. I wasn't doubting the what, just wanting the why.

[MrWookie47]

I might just fold preflop. I want another limper.

[deception5]

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Thank you. I wasn't doubting the what, just wanting the why.

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No prob /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[deception5]

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I might just fold preflop. I want another limper.

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You are tighter than I. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm calling here with 3 left to act before the blinds.

[cfjr2]

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Why? What would that accomplish?

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We make a flush around 35% of the time here (and maybe 1 time in 30 lose to a better flush/full house/etc).. If the flop is capped 4 ways we are making a ton of money here.

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Also need to account for how likely it is we fold 2 of the 3 callers because then we are putting 50% of the $ for a 35% share.

[Rev. Good Will]

I like flop call, but when it comes back to us again, I like 3-betting

rest is good

[@bsolute_luck]

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I might just fold preflop. I want another limper.

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k. whew, i thought i was getting too tight /images/graemlins/tongue.gif that's what i thought. rest is the same.

[2+2 Junkie]

I guess with the flop call, you are going for the overcalls. However, when the BB raises, I would 3-bet this thing. Pump that draw.
Turn, once the SB check 3-bets, based on your read I would go into call down mode.

The only thing I would have changed...

Since it's a very small pot, I'd only call the initial bet on the flop, but then when it was raised, I'd re-raise when it got back to me. So I agree with the others saying to 3-bet it up.

I believe I can find a cap on the turn, since it's possible SB has a straight. I believe 5-6 bets on the turn/river is probably optimal.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

Intuitively we think we'd like to 3-bet the flop because of equity, but it's not as clear cut as you'd like to think for a couple reasons.

1. there is a chance that your 3-bet will shut out the sb and he'll fold for 2 more cold with that action.

2. there is a chance (although slight) that someone is drawing to a higher flush (so your equity isn't always quite 35% on this flop). to counterbalance that, having one more player in the pot should give you a lot more overlay.

3. if someone has a set some of your outs are dirty, again not giving you the equity you need for this to be +EV.

[666shooter]

Thanks for the input, everyone. This was a tough one...I tend to play this type of hand in any position at this type of table (passive, very little pre-flop raising).

SB had J /images/graemlins/heart.gif T /images/graemlins/heart.gif.