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oreogod

08-16-2005, 07:37 AM

Not a strong strong read, but both loose and passive postflop.

So fold the river, fold the turn? etc etc etc. I suppose preflop could be up for debate as well.

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (14 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, SB calls, Hero.....wtf?

oreogod

08-16-2005, 07:49 AM

wtf am I talking about. Bad run = me vag. raise preflop is pretty easy, IMO.

toss

08-16-2005, 08:18 AM

PF is almost always a raise for me. No way I'm overcalling on the river with a 4-flush on board.

dreddie26

08-16-2005, 08:19 AM

not riasing pre-flop is not such a mistake i think. But not folding the turn raise is.

toss

08-16-2005, 08:24 AM

Folding the turn is weak. Don't immediately put them on a flush because they raise the turn.

dreddie26

08-16-2005, 08:29 AM

why not ? he bets into two people.

toss

08-16-2005, 08:34 AM

People will often raise this scare card with a onecard flush draw (K/images/graemlins/club.gifQ/images/graemlins/diamond.gif), a weaker Ace, or even nothing. Unless I had a read that MP1 only raised with the nuts, I'm calling.

dreddie26

08-16-2005, 08:38 AM

you think loose passive raises with that ?

toss

08-16-2005, 08:42 AM

The orginal poster said his read wasn't strong. I still think its too early to fold getting that much from the pot.

JinX11

08-16-2005, 09:21 AM

I stubbornly call the turn...let it go on the river. With the bet and call, someone has a club. You have one pair. Name two likely hands you beat. AJ and ..........

Pre-flop...I can see it either way. Sometimes, I don't know if I give too much credit to the "raising big off-suit hands is not good as it just guarantees better odds for others to chase with". Can this not be viewed as such, however? Seems like it could be viewed as a good job of manipulating the pot size. Personally, I also do not normally raise this pre-flop from BB - AQo does not play well multi-way, right? AQs, yes, absolutely.

hicherbie

08-16-2005, 09:34 AM

turn play is good, i think folding here is a mistake. the CCs on that flop should shoot out warning signals though. i we are beat here a lot of the time but the pot is big.

the river is a pretty bad card. id fold instead of overcalling.

speirs

08-16-2005, 11:36 AM

Preflop: I would check also with 5 other people in and AQo
Flop: The same
Turn: The same
River: Fold

HolyBejeesus

08-16-2005, 11:54 AM

I'd call the turn and fold the river. I'm not sure how close the decision preflop is, but sometimes I find myself not raising here as well.