JJ facing idiotic flop check/raise

[Isura]

No reads on villain, but this is the first pot I've played out of the blinds. Weak fold?

***** Hand History for Game 2540915932 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14868934 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, August 15, 18:46:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 13827 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: golden11112 ( $3345 )
Seat 2: Guster101 ( $1460 )
Seat 4: electric_now ( $590 )
Seat 7: huejorgann ( $770 )
Seat 8: testbatsmen1 ( $785 )
Seat 10: SequoiaBET ( $1050 )
Trny:14868934 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to testbatsmen1 [ Jd Jc ]
testbatsmen1 raises [100].
SequoiaBET folds.
golden11112 folds.
Guster101 folds.
electric_now folds.
huejorgann calls [70].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 6s, Kd ]
huejorgann checks.
testbatsmen1 bets [150].
golden11112: folded king ,3
golden11112: sh.it
huejorgann raises [500].
golden11112: oops
golden11112: he folds
golden11112: lie a little girl
>You have options at Table 14976 Table!.
golden11112: he he he
>You have options at Table 14279 Table!.
testbatsmen1 folds.
huejorgann does not show cards.
huejorgann wins 865 chips

I would have played about the same. Blinds are really small still so there is no need to risk in this situation. Im a little baffled as to what he could have. AK or aces, but he could have a lot of things. Not worth it though. Maybe weak, but that does not mean it is always incorrect.

[citanul]

what's idiotic?

[Isura]

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what's idiotic?

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That he left himself 150 after raising.

[bigt439]

What would you rather do here? There is no other line that's really even an option given the action.

[Uppercut]

All I have to say is that Golden11112 seems to be about 12 years old.

[ChuckNorris]

It's pretty standard for me at least. I'd fold KQ here. I'm not positively certain whether that's smart or not in the $22's, but goes to show that I have no trouble folding jacks. I think both the fact that they checkraised and that they didn't push show real strength.

[Matt R.]

I'd fold this. The bet size may be idiotic for his stack, but even if he's clueless about how to manipulate his bet sizes based on his # of chips left, he still probably wouldn't check/raise you without a king or a spade draw. And the king is probably way more likely.

[willperkins]

It looks to me that villian bet after Golden was running his mouth. It may not have made any difference, but I would sure be hacked at Golden for telling villian that one of the Ks and one of the 3s are not in your hand before he bet.

[freemoney]

folding KQ here has to be VERY VERY BAD.

[axeshigh]

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folding KQ here has to be VERY VERY BAD.

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Preflop?

[fisherman112]

calling preflop raises with KQ in the early going of a sng is bad. calling the flop raise with kq, not so much.

[ChuckNorris]

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folding KQ here has to be VERY VERY BAD.

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It's somewhat hard to believe that it could be VERY VERY BAD, but if so, I'm glad that I'm not playing the $20+2's. I believe that the standard play for $22 donks is to check/call with mid pairs and K-crap here. This looks a lot like 2-pair, set or AK-KQ to me.

I have no exact general idea on the $22 players though, I'm not giving any advice about that.

[ChuckNorris]

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folding KQ here has to be VERY VERY BAD.

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I was talking hypothetically about the flop. It was to show how bad I think JJ is there. I don't think anyone's suggesting to actually call preflop with KQ there.

[freemoney]

at the 109s folding kq here would def be -ev, ive never played the 22s

[ChuckNorris]

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at the 109s folding kq here would def be -ev, ive never played the 22s

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The games are incredibly loose-passive in the 22s. A checkraise really has to respected there IMO. What would you put the villain on in a 109 here, then?

[axeshigh]

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folding KQ here has to be VERY VERY BAD.

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I was talking hypothetically about the flop. It was to show how bad I think JJ is there. I don't think anyone's suggesting to actually call preflop with KQ there.

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I was kidding. My humor is too exotic for you people. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[freemoney]

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